#WeNurses - Thursday 3rd May 2018 8pm (GMT Standard Time)
Nursing Associates
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Background
(Taken from the NMC Nursing Associates Background Information which can be found HERE)
"The Shape of Caring review identified a skills gap between the roles of health and care assistants and registered nurses. In October 2015, the Government announced the creation of a new healthcare role in England called a nursing associate. Nursing associates would bridge this gap and help meet the changing health and care needs of patients and the public.
Nursing associates will work as members of interdisciplinary teams supporting the delivery of nursing care across a wide range of health and care settings. The role will be a profession in its own right and it will provide a progression route into graduate level nursing degree programmes.
Following the Government’s announcement of the new role, Health Education England (HEE) worked with education providers and employers to develop a pilot programme to train 2,000 nursing associates in England. The first nursing associate programmes started in January 2017, and we expect the first nursing associates to qualify in early 2019. The student nursing associates on the pilot programmes are training according to a framework developed by HEE, which was informed by a public consultation on the role. They will need to meet the NMC’s nursing associate standards of proficiency to qualify as nursing associates and apply to join the register.
The Government has determined that statutory regulation of the nursing associate profession is required to protect the public. In January 2017, our Council agreed to the Department of Health and Social Care’s request to regulate nursing associates in England"
The focus of this #WeNurses Tweetchat
The government proposes making the NMC the regulator of the new nursing associate role, in England. The NMC plans to regulate nursing associates in much the same way as nurses and midwives. It wants to know what you think about its proposed approach to regulation. This #WeNurses discussion aims to explore the following questions:
- What do you think about the plans to extend the current Code to cover nursing associates?
- The draft standards of proficiency set out what #NursingAssociates need to know and be able to do when they register with us. Are there any standards you think should/shouldn’t be included?
- The NMC proposes that #NursingAssociate qualifications are foundation degrees - do you agree?
- Should #NursingAssociates have the same requirements for #revalidation (confirmation, reflective discussions, feedback, etc) as nurses and midwives?
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Question 1 asked about the current code:
Question 2 explored the draft standards for nursing associates:
Question 3 asked about whether the nursing associate qualification should be a foundation degree:
Question 4 addressed revalidation:
Thank you to all who took part in the tweetchat and shared their views - to take part in the Nursing Associates consultation please follow the link in the tweet below:
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#WeNurses transcript
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:00
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Welcome to tonights #WeNurses Please tweet us a "Hello" if you are joining us for the next hour https://t.co/5OVQ2k0C9s |
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@WeCommNurses
03 May 2018 20:00
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RT @nmcnews: 5 minutes to go - get those thumbs ready for #WeNurses https://twitter.com/twitter_104629_61489404/status/992114069359480833 |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:00
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RT @WeNurses: Welcome to tonights #WeNurses Please tweet us a "Hello" if you are joining us for the next hour https://t.co/5OVQ2k0C9s |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:00
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Hello, @nmcnews here - looking forward to hearing all your views #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:01
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@WeNurses ???? hello #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:01
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@WeNurses Hellllllo #weSTNs #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:01
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Tonight we are discussing @nmcnews Nursing Associates consultation #NAconsultation and are joined by @ecwestcott Welcome :) #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:01
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RT @nmcnews: Hello, @nmcnews here - looking forward to hearing all your views #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:01
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@KarriPops welcome to #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:01
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Hello Teresa here #WeNurses |
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@schoolnurse17
03 May 2018 20:01
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Hello #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:01
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@cherylwilson2 thanks for joining #wenurses this eve :) |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:01
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RT @nmcnews: Hello, @nmcnews here - looking forward to hearing all your views #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:01
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@WeNurses #WeNurses will be dipping in & out while sorting bedtime! |
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@optimistgarden
03 May 2018 20:02
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@WeNurses Hi, I shall be dipping in and out. One eye on 'Vera". :-) #wenurses |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:02
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Hello #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:02
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@AgencyNurse Hi & thanks for joining #wenurses :) |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:02
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Hi all #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:02
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Hello #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992116590312337410 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:02
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@fiholley dip away :) thanks for saying hi #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:02
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@WeNurses :D #WeNurses |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:02
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@ecwestcott @nmcnews So closing part of the register to reopen another part #wenurses #NAconsultation |
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@MyCareAcademy
03 May 2018 20:02
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RT @WeNurses: Welcome to tonights #WeNurses Please tweet us a "Hello" if you are joining us for the next hour https://t.co/5OVQ2k0C9s |
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@WeStudentNurse
03 May 2018 20:02
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Supporting our bigger sibling twitter account tonight #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:03
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@optimistgarden glad to have on eye on #WeNurses :) |
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@TheAutisticRN
03 May 2018 20:03
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Hello Lee here #WeNurses |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:03
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@WeLDnurses Good Evening this is Carmarthenshire calling #NAconsultation #wenurses #weLDNs |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:03
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@WeStudentNurse supe lovely to have you along thise eve :) #wenurses |
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@PUNCadp
03 May 2018 20:04
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@WeNurses Hello! #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:04
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@leedickson204 hi Lee :) welcome to #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:04
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oops! Wrong account. Sorted now. #wenurses https://twitter.com/optimistgarden/status/992117101338021891 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:04
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@TimSpurs @WeLDnurses hi Tim - hope it is a lovely eve all the way over there :) #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:04
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Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@donnaglossopNHS
03 May 2018 20:04
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Hello #WeNurses |
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@mjaj_77
03 May 2018 20:04
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@WeNurses Hello #WeNurses ... dipping in and out but will try to keep up ! |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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What do you think ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992117799949684736 |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:05
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@TimSpurs @nmcnews #wenurses opening a separate part of the register to be clear that NAs and nurses are distinct |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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@donkydonks hi Donna :) #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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Thoughts? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992117799949684736 |
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@WeCommNurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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Question 1 #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992117799949684736 |
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@WeGPNs
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:05
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RT @ecwestcott: @TimSpurs @nmcnews #wenurses opening a separate part of the register to be clear that NAs and nurses are distinct |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:06
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@mjaj_77 Hi Matt... lovely to have you, thnaks for joning #WeNurses this eve! |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:06
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:06
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@WeNurses Personally I fell that it should have been discussed and extended before they trialled the course. Very disorganised in the beginning I feel as no one knew who was responsible. #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:06
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RT @WeCYPnurses: What do you think ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992117799949684736 |
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@Louise90999815
03 May 2018 20:07
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RT @WeNurses: Welcome to tonights #WeNurses Please tweet us a "Hello" if you are joining us for the next hour https://t.co/5OVQ2k0C9s |
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@mjaj_77
03 May 2018 20:07
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@WeNurses #WeNurses - some form of framework will be vital and if we want to #growourown the transition and expectations will be easier if under a single governing body |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:07
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@KarriPops @WeNurses I get how you are feeling Karen - but also think that we are where we are now and we have to draw a line ... and get organised ! #WeNurses |
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@Louise90999815
03 May 2018 20:07
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@WeNurses Hello from Newcastle #wenurses ?? |
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@optimistgarden
03 May 2018 20:07
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@WeNurses The Code stays the same, presumably. It's just covering NAs too so there will be some minor tweaks to make that clear. #wenurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:07
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@KarriPops @WeNurses Guessing when the pressure is on you don't get the luxury of perfect planning... do you? #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:08
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@Beefy15966178 Yes the NMC Code of Conduct and applying it to the new Nursing Associate role #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:08
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/kerrylou85/status/992118542156943360 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:08
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Development has been fast paced, but there was consultation by HEE before pilot progs began #WeNurses https://twitter.com/KarriPops/status/992118186094088192 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:08
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Aaargh. Not sorted yet, obvs! #wenurses https://twitter.com/optimistgarden/status/992118503363809282 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:09
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@Louise90999815 Hi Louise :) hope you are doing OK up there, thanks for joining #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:09
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RT @nmcnews: Development has been fast paced, but there was consultation by HEE before pilot progs began #WeNurses https://twitter.com/KarriPops/status/992118186094088192 |
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@kerrylou85
03 May 2018 20:09
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@WeNurses I think it makes sense to modify the current code to include nursing associates rather than have completely separate one #wenurses |
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@Louise90999815
03 May 2018 20:09
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RT @WeNurses: @Louise90999815 Hi Louise :) hope you are doing OK up there, thanks for joining #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:10
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Thats very sad to hear .... i agree guidance from the start would have made the process so much more transparent and accepted .. lessons to be learnt #WeNurses https://twitter.com/KarriPops/status/992118851822342144 |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:10
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@AgencyNurse @KarriPops @WeNurses I agree, can’t go back. @nmcnews didn’t introduce the role but are now going to be regulating it, therefore need to work with current situation. #WeNurses @ecwestcott |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:10
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@WeLDnurses Sounds good to me. I just cannot get my head around why Enrolled Nursing was stopped & we've now found out it is essential. So we're just repackaging what we had & trying to make it look different rather than hold our hands up & say 'we got it wrong' #NAconsultation #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:10
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Agreed - on balance, #NMCcouncil believed it would be better for public protection if we were responsible for regulating both professions #WeNurses https://twitter.com/mjaj_77/status/992118424062119937 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:10
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We have just started our chat via #WeNurses with @nmcnews on Nursing Associate role... Either just jump in or read the prechat here... all welcome http://wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4179 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:11
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I feel that now @nmcnews have a hold of it we are finally getting some details and cohesion #WeNurses https://twitter.com/fiholley/status/992119170912391169 |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:11
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@WeNurses @WeLDnurses It is a beautiful evening #wenurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:11
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@kerrylou85 @WeNurses Thanks @kerrylou85, Code is so well known and owned by nurses and midwives, we took that view too. #wenurses |
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@FNFEarlyCareers
03 May 2018 20:11
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Why not go and lurk over on the @WeNurses tweet chat which is talking about Nursing Associates, with @ECWestcott co-hosting. An important and current topic in nurse education! #StNProject #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992116938875817986 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:11
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I don't think this is the case at all. The NA isn't a nurse, for a start. It's a support role. #wenurses https://twitter.com/TimSpurs/status/992119175740116993 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:11
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Thanks for sharing Claire - what tweaks do you feel are needed ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ClaireAgnewRN/status/992119327175462913 |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:11
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@AgencyNurse And how much will it cost on the @nmcnews register for an associate nurse #WeNurses I trained hard for 3 years to work as a nurse they do how long and pretty much do everything a nurse does besides drugs |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:12
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New to tweetchats? Simply click on > #WeNurses < to see the tweets in the chat..... AND add #WeNurses to your tweets to join in or respond .... EASY, when you know how! https://t.co/J4HVVHsFBN |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:12
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An interesting question - any clarity on this yet @nmcnews ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/princessandtoad/status/992119573985062912 |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:13
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#WeNurses @kerrylou85 I agree with this, it's important that they have some form of code |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:13
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@nmcnews Not sure about this. I think the NA role could have just as safely been regulated by HCPC. #wenurses |
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@PettiferKelly
03 May 2018 20:13
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@Aimeemo7 @NICEcomms @kat_hryn21 Well done ladies awesome #WeNurses #MentalHealth #LearningExperience #teachforall |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:13
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An interesting question .... one for the @nmcnews team ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/JFr4ser/status/992119711646277632 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:13
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RT @AgencyNurse: I feel that now @nmcnews have a hold of it we are finally getting some details and cohesion #WeNurses https://t.co/AChUMNl… |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:13
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@ProfJuneG Yes. Not a registered nurse but a bridging role #wenurses @nmcnews |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:13
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@KarriPops @WeNurses Sometimes.... but we don't live in the perfect world when changes are being made to to keep up with demand #wenurses |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:13
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@AgencyNurse @nmcnews Here’s another one @nmcnews if they were seen unfit to practice what would they be tried as a health care or a nurse. #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:13
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/ClaireAgnewRN/status/992119327175462913 |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:14
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RT @WeNurses: We have just started our chat via #WeNurses with @nmcnews on Nursing Associate role... Either just jump in or read the prech… |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:14
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RT @WeNurses: New to tweetchats? Simply click on > #WeNurses < to see the tweets in the chat..... AND add #WeNurses to your tweets to join… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:14
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#WeNurses > https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992119993390325761 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:14
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A Nursing Associate surely ?? (is that too simple?) #WeNurses https://twitter.com/princessandtoad/status/992120080354959360 |
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@optimistgarden
03 May 2018 20:15
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@princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Regulation isn't about the tasks that people do. It's about ensuring the safety of the public. If NAs are regulated in the same way then their fees should be the same as RNs. #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:15
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RT @ProfJuneG: I don't think this is the case at all. The NA isn't a nurse, for a start. It's a support role. #wenurses https://t.co/KyOnEO… |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:15
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@KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Most NAs we speak to have embraced being pioneers but I agree there is more to do with RNs about the role |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:15
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RT @JackieSmith_nmc: @ProfJuneG Yes. Not a registered nurse but a bridging role #wenurses @nmcnews |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:15
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@AgencyNurse Yes, they would go through FTP as a nursing associate. #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:15
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RT @ProfJuneG: @nmcnews Not sure about this. I think the NA role could have just as safely been regulated by HCPC. #wenurses |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 20:15
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@WeNurses Hello #WeNurses |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 20:15
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@WeNurses Making the current code applicable to the nursing associate role shows that the @nmcnews are taking the role seriously and the trainees will feel that the role is being taken seriously #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:16
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@princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews You really shouldn't feel that way. The NA is a million miles away from being the same as a RN. #wenurses |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:16
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@AgencyNurse Yes really too simple. #WeNurses as would need a different code then totally and the @NMCnews would have to change its title too #WeNurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:16
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@AgencyNurse They are tried within their accountable role #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:16
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@ClaireA1981 welcome along Claire :) #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:16
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@TimSpurs @WeLDnurses I was an EN I did #nurse training therecreally is a difference #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:16
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/fiholley/status/992120612989685760 |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:16
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@donnaglossopNHS
03 May 2018 20:16
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I disagree the nursing associates aren’t nurses. We all work in a support role. The ones I work with are better than a lot of the ‘nurses’ #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:16
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RT @JackieSmith_nmc: @ProfJuneG Yes. Not a registered nurse but a bridging role #wenurses @nmcnews |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 20:16
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#WeNurses Thinking of it from a patient perspective I want whoever is delivering my care to be competent, know and understand what they are doing and why. |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:17
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@princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews As a Nursing Associate. They are not nurses. #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:17
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We've consulted on the same fees applying to NAs as nurses and midwives, because the cost of regulation is the same. We're grateful for all the responses to our fees consultation inc. lots from trainee NAs. #NMCcouncil will make a decision in September #WeNurses https://twitter.com/princessandtoad/status/992119573985062912 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:17
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RT @MaryDunningTU: #WeNurses Thinking of it from a patient perspective I want whoever is delivering my care to be competent, know and under… |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:17
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@ProfJuneG trouble is we have no idea what it is and until we’ve bottomed that out everything else is conjecture #wenurses |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:17
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@ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse I agree, it’s lack of knowledge based on such a wide variety in the pilots that is confusing some RNs. Need the trainees to feel valued as part of the team #WeNurses |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:17
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#WeNurses I'm a former EN and it seems that the nursing associates will be taking their place after it was decided that the role was no longer needed |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:17
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@princessandtoad @nmcnews mmmmm .... so a different code for fitness to practice purposes ? #WeNurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:17
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@princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Why would they need a completely diff code? A lot of what is applicable to us within the code would be the same for a NA #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:18
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Ouch. #wenurses https://twitter.com/ecwestcott/status/992120436120055808 |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:18
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@WeNurses This seems entirely appropriate to me. Best for both #NA and #RN to be registered with one and the same regulatory body #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:18
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RT @JackieSmith_nmc: @ProfJuneG Yes. Not a registered nurse but a bridging role #wenurses @nmcnews |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:18
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@ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse Not just with RNs, they are joining the MDT, so work on raising profile / explaining remit / role should include everyone, if want to embed #Nursing Associate role successfully. #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:18
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RT @ecwestcott: @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Most NAs we speak to have embraced being pioneers but I agree there is more to do with RN… |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:18
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@ProfJuneG @nmcnews indeed it would have been more appropriate to have a multiprofessional registered Band 4 #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:19
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@WeNurses Hello, I am head of education at a Hospice in South East London #WeNurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:19
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@ProfJuneG Why ouch? #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:19
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/cherylwilson2/status/992121395680366592 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:19
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@maaike30be Thanks for joining :) welcome along to #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:20
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#wenurses oops ?? https://twitter.com/cherylwilson2/status/992121395680366592 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:20
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@maxwele2 I'm clear! #wenurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:20
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@JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews what on earth does ‘bridging role’ mean in terms of patient safety, critical thinking and personalised care. And what about the research identifying the risks of support roles even when RN numbers stay the same? #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:20
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Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:20
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@fiholley @AgencyNurse We'll let you off.... this time :) #wenurses |
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@MikeHunt082
03 May 2018 20:20
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RT @nmcnews: Join us, @ecwestcott and @WeNurses at 8pm by using #WeNurses https://twitter.com/twitter_104629_61489404/status/992101532173815808 |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:21
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@ProfJuneG should I say there is no consensus! #wenurses |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:21
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@ProfJuneG That's fine, but the general public will look at the minutiae of actual role. They will just see registered with NMC a professional body for regulating, & therefore, they have to be a nurse or midwife #wenurses #NAconsultation |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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Question 2 is about the draft standards #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992121713679880197 |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:21
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@WeNurses @AgencyNurse Thank you #WeNurses ?? |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@WeCommNurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@laura83400751
03 May 2018 20:21
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#wenurses hi everyone tNA due to qualify in January |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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Question 2 - thoughts on the draft standards of proficiency #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992121713679880197 |
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@MandyHemstock
03 May 2018 20:21
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@WeNurses #WeNurses Hello ?? |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:21
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Absolutely, the Code is couched in very general ethical terms, a few changes to wording to encompass NA is all it needs. #wenurses https://twitter.com/KarriPops/status/992121087554093057 |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:21
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Question 2 is right here #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992121713679880197 |
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@KarenAlred
03 May 2018 20:22
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RT @WeSchoolNurses: Tonight at 8pm #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992055694181519361 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:22
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RT @maxwele2: @ProfJuneG @nmcnews indeed it would have been more appropriate to have a multiprofessional registered Band 4 #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:22
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:22
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#WeNurses > https://twitter.com/AmyFletcher1983/status/992122182879850496 |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 20:22
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@WeNurses Once the amendments are made to include the Nursing Associates, Nurses can play a big part in helping NA lift the words off the paper and apply these with pride to deliver great care. #WeNurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:23
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@xxjennydxx
03 May 2018 20:23
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@WeNurses hello #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:23
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@MandyHemstock thanks for joining #WeNurses Mandy, hope your Nursing Associate training is going well :) |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:23
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NAs will be subject to exactly the same fitness to practise process as nurses and midwives. We're consulting on the Code and the standards of proficiency for NAs #WeNurses https://twitter.com/princessandtoad/status/992120080354959360 |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:23
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RT @MandyHemstock: @WeNurses #WeNurses Hello ?? |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:23
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@fiholley #WeNurses the pilots are diverse by design, we're working with @NHS_HealthEdEng to make sure all first cohorts meet our standards https://twitter.com/fiholley/status/992121001583443970 |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:23
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@MandyHemstock @WeNurses Hiiii #wenurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:23
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@WeNurses Further clarification on definitions would make it easier to respond to this question. As well as clarity on scope and breadth. #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:24
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RT @ecwestcott: @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Most NAs we speak to have embraced being pioneers but I agree there is more to do with RN… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:24
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Incase you havent seen them here are the draft standards of proficiency for nursing associates > https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/na-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates.pdf #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:24
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@WeNurses This is too big a question for a tweet chat. People need to go to the consultation and put their responses in. #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:24
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RT @WeNurses: Question 2 #WeNurses https://t.co/uMItLuZBDu |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:24
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#WeNurses I think the standards would depend on the type of clinical practice/skills they are expected to have. And would they have competencies ? |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:24
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/AmyBillingto/status/992122390565056515 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:24
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@xxjennydxx hi Jenny :) welcome along to #wenurses this eve, thanks for joinnig in! |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:24
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/WilliamRayment/status/992122532852584449 |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:24
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@WilliamRayment @ProfJuneG @AgencyNurse @nmcnews #WeNurses I agree but it’s no longer a million miles away. It’s becoming more just look at how the nurses role has evolved |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:25
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@nmcnews So how can this be. #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:25
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RT @ecwestcott: @fiholley #WeNurses the pilots are diverse by design, we're working with @NHS_HealthEdEng to make sure all first cohorts me… |
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@biglad1
03 May 2018 20:25
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@princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews How can they administer medicines as a band 4. I don’t agree with this #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:26
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Thanks for the reminder June ... and here is the link to do just that > https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/ #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/992122717292949504 |
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@Raccoon_Lagoon
03 May 2018 20:26
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RT @biglad1: @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews How can they administer medicines as a band 4. I don’t agree with this #WeNurses |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:26
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@ecwestcott @NHS_HealthEdEng Fully understand, like the variety, the evaluations will show what has worked well and a way forward. Education of RNs in areas outside of the pilots will develop in time. #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:26
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Was a bit surprised at the mention of bed making ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992121713679880197 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:26
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@TimSpurs Oh, I completely agree that the general public will be confused and it's a really bad idea. But it's here now. #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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What are other peoples thoughts re this ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/biglad1/status/992122999821295616 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:27
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If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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You could well be right! You can ALL (and should) respond to the consultation here https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/respond-to-the-consultation/ #wenurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/992122717292949504 |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:27
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RT @WeNurses: Thanks for the reminder June ... and here is the link to do just that > https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/ #WeNurses https://t.co/6jqR3a… |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:27
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:27
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@biglad1 @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Not IV and injectables #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:28
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/AmyBillingto/status/992122390565056515 |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:28
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:28
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RT @nmcnews: If you want to take a look at the draft standards for question 2 - they're available at: https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/standards-of-proficiency-for-nursing-associates/ #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:28
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RT @WeNurses: You could well be right! You can ALL (and should) respond to the consultation here https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/respond-to-the-consultation/ #wenurses https:/… |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:28
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Think this is a significant problem - diversity of training. Makes standards tricky. #wenurses https://twitter.com/ecwestcott/status/992122536241586176 |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:28
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#WeNurses @AmyBillingto I personally think that it will take time for the nursing family to fully understand and appreciate the contribution that associates can make. |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:29
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Administration of medicines isn't linked to banding. The important elements should always be training, competency and understanding. Acting within one's scope of practice. There are many examples out their of different roles that administer medication. #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:29
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@ProfJuneG hmmm how do you get diversity in training? #wenurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:29
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@maxwele2 @nmcnews #wenurses support need to develop evidence about role, & agree when pts need a grad nurse that's what they should get |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 20:29
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews The trainees receive underpinning education at university and also education in clinical practice. Many community based HCAs already administer medications with basic education that is not as robust as that that the tNAs receive #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:29
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In our proposals we've broadly kept the Code the same. We've given it a new introduction and tweaked wording to include #NursingAssociates #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/992122105159405569 |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:29
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@WeNurses There are many non RNs who administer medications in a variety of settings. The NAs will be following a rigorous element in their programmes to ensure patient safety. #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:29
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@princessandtoad @biglad1 @nmcnews some injections - yes #WeNurses https://t.co/9QCnG3rGWa |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:29
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@LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse I couldn't agree more. We need to work closely with RNs to ensure roles, responsibilities, accountability, etc. is clear. I have come across a number of RNs who are concerned about their role/job since the introduction of the #NA. We must manage this effectively. #WeNurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:29
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@WeNurses less concerned about administering drugs than them taking vital sign obs without the knowledge to assess unexpected findings and then fail to rescue ( lots of research on this) #wenurses |
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@donnaglossopNHS
03 May 2018 20:29
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The cost should be the same for all registered and all TNAs I have spoken to agree and have been involved in the consultation conferences #WeNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:29
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Robust training and competencies mean that Band 3 and Band 4 also lead carers in carehomes with #Nursing residents are administering meds as delegates by the RN on duty #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:29
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@WilliamRayment @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews I would! #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:29
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@ProfJuneG All training is diverse. The @nmcnews fully endorsed a blended learning approach #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:30
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@LGT_NAs @biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews thanks for joining :) great to have you on #wenurses |
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@carolgair
03 May 2018 20:30
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Lots of work still needed around job role and scope (and the title). Undertaking tasks is not the same as doing same job. #wenurses https://twitter.com/amyfletcher1983/status/992122182879850496 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:30
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What do other people feel ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/992124051459067906 |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:30
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RT @AgencyNurse: @princessandtoad @biglad1 @nmcnews some injections - yes #WeNurses https://t.co/9QCnG3rGWa |
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@kerrylou85
03 May 2018 20:30
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@WeNurses I had this conversation with my PDU colleagues today. We felt comfortable that NA’s should only administer oral medications #WeNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:31
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@LGT_NAs @biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Agree but even if trained and competent it is a delegates task via the RN on duty #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:31
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@maxwele2 @WeNurses perhaps there needs to be more mention of "under supervision" or "under direction" ?? #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:31
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Indeed - in fact, our new nursing standards encourage everyone to take responsibility for the next generation #WeNurses https://twitter.com/MaryDunningTU/status/992122341634265089 |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:31
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#WeNurses @biglad1 again it all comes down to appropriate training and competency follow up. |
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@catherine_ph3
03 May 2018 20:31
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#wenurses it is questionable whether all the skills are applicable to all nursing associates that will be employed in many varying health care settings- competency may be lost after point of registration e.g venepuncture/ cannnulation, ECG monitoring |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:31
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@ecwestcott @maxwele2 @nmcnews Agree, appropriate staffing should be based on patient acuity & dependency #WeNurses NAs have a valuable role to play |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:31
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RT @nmcnews: Indeed - in fact, our new nursing standards encourage everyone to take responsibility for the next generation #WeNurses https:… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:32
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/biglad1/status/992124296238641155 |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:32
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@KarriPops @ProfJuneG surely there is diversity in learning across any professional and regulated role? That's why it included mentoring, hands on, CPD, appraisals and Revalidation, FtoP #WeNurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:32
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Remember also that as HCP we teach individuals to administer their own medication ??& carers. #NursingAssociates will have a theoretical underpinning and been assessed as competent in clinical environment #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:33
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#WeNurses - good point https://twitter.com/maaike30be/status/992124760363499522 |
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@xxjennydxx
03 May 2018 20:33
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@WeNurses I disagree. I’m a TNA, I do *supervised* drug rounds with RNs (no CDs/IVs), as well as an upcoming complete uni module on meds management, & have ‘in house’ training often too. We will be trained and knowledgable! AND accountable! #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:33
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The 'nursing family'.I just can't stand that expression. #wenurses https://twitter.com/lilian_wittman/status/992123775876567042 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:33
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@NRCUK That's my point. #wenurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:33
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@AgencyNurse @WeNurses we would need to unpick what that means. The reason some things are left to professionals is that they are too complicated to reduce to a checklist or algorithm. Trouble is, RNs don’t know what their unique added value is #wenurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:34
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RT @fiholley: @ecwestcott @maxwele2 @nmcnews Agree, appropriate staffing should be based on patient acuity & dependency #WeNurses NAs have… |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:34
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RT @ecwestcott: @fiholley #WeNurses the pilots are diverse by design, we're working with @NHS_HealthEdEng to make sure all first cohorts me… |
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@selenam738
03 May 2018 20:34
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#wenurses if the right person is in the role, with the right support and training, the TNA role could be great. I have x2 Band 4 APs who are fabulous. But, they are not RNs and we should cherish that title. |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 20:34
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@WeNurses Embedded in the standards themes of patient safety, influencing patient experiences, achieving positive outcomes #WeNurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:34
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RT @AgencyNurse: @princessandtoad @biglad1 @nmcnews some injections - yes #WeNurses https://t.co/9QCnG3rGWa |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:35
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@biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews #WeNurses so why did I bother going to uni for 3 years. |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:35
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@maxwele2 @WeNurses #wenurses is it not more about them knowing when to refer back to the registered nurse |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:35
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@catherine_ph3 #wenurses do respond in that vein (no pun intended) - but bear in mind future models of care may mean different skill reqs |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:35
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Patients need to be absolutely clear about what/who is dealing with them. My worry is that they wont. They wont know, or understand the differences or the potential risks. #wenurses https://twitter.com/ecwestcott/status/992123940855336960 |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:35
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@ProfJuneG what is the collective name for the range of nursing roles? Is it just nurses? and Will nursing associates be included in this? #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:35
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RT @lilian_wittman: #WeNurses @biglad1 again it all comes down to appropriate training and competency follow up. |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:35
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RT @lilian_wittman: #WeNurses @AmyBillingto I personally think that it will take time for the nursing family to fully understand and apprec… |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:35
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@maxwele2 @WeNurses yes i see your point - like when i call 111 and i get a call handler with a checklist not a practitioner ! But NA's would be practitioners ... i guess the onus in that case would need to them knowing their limitations ? #WeNurses |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:36
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@biglad1 @teaandpretzels @WeNurses @AgencyNurse @nmcnews It’s a cost cutting measure in my eyes but if you read it the RN on duty is accountable for the Nurse associate actions so if it all goes wrong it’s the RN registration & career gone #WeNurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:36
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RT @nmcnews: Indeed - in fact, our new nursing standards encourage everyone to take responsibility for the next generation #WeNurses https:… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:36
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Saucy/status/992125590424768512 |
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@jbyd3
03 May 2018 20:36
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RT @nmcnews: Indeed - in fact, our new nursing standards encourage everyone to take responsibility for the next generation #WeNurses https:… |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:36
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@JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews I know, but I think it is incumbent of the profession to explore in order to safeguard the public. Focus from DH is on career pathway not patient safety #wenurses |
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@NicolePollock01
03 May 2018 20:37
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:37
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QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:37
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@NRCUK @ProfJuneG It’s in the nmc standards for pre registration education as an important part of courses. We never stop learning and standards can’t be taught in a standardised Way. As a #SpLD student this is even more applicable to me #WeNurses |
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@JRom_Nursing
03 May 2018 20:37
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@maxwele2 @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews I think that evidence has been "glossed" over #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:37
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Good question - any suggestions? We have been talking about 'the wider nursing team' #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NRCUK/status/992125525270425602 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:37
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/WilliamRayment/status/992125870071582720 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:37
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@KarriPops @nmcnews Blended learning doesn't mean diverse courses. #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:37
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Passionate about the development of this role as you know I’ve very recently met up with 2 RN I worked with when they were fab Band 2 & 3 then at start of foundation degree here in Wales #wenurses #growyourown #nurses @claire_aston1 ???? |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:38
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RT @nmcnews: Good question - any suggestions? We have been talking about 'the wider nursing team' #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NRCUK/status/992125525270425602 |
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@catherine_ph3
03 May 2018 20:38
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@ecwestcott I agree, we must plan for the future, but it might be better for such skills to be taught post registration as and when, if required #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:38
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:38
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@ProfJuneG #wenurses Do you think they should? Or should there be confidence and trust in the environment they are being cared for in..... roles should be identifiable, but does having 20 different uniforms... I mean, what the hell is this as example... https://t.co/EkTTy5cETA |
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@selenam738
03 May 2018 20:38
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@NRCUK @ProfJuneG #wenurses The term, ‘Registered Nurse’ is central to this. |
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@GGByrne
03 May 2018 20:38
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@maxwele2 @AgencyNurse @WeNurses Part of the problem here is senior figures. Nursing leaders need to get better at talking about what nurses do beyond “caring” or the 6 Cs. Maybe if we ‘sold’ nursing better we’d command a higher price! #WeNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:39
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/davidgreen66/status/992125600293904384 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:39
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@nmcnews The 'next generation'? NAs aren't the next generation of Nurses. #wenurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:39
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@AgencyNurse #wenurses as a prof reg, we say what NAs know & can do, we won't set reqs for deployment but guidance from system regs may help |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:39
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@maxwele2 @ProfJuneG @nmcnews Incumbent on all, including employers, to ensure patient safety. #WeNurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:39
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@catherine_ph3 #WeNurses @nmcnews @ecwestcott is this not about recognising own sphere of practice and working within it? If need to use again in future, seeking out an update etc |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:39
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/donkydonks/status/992126217288650754 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:39
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992126221831016450 |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:39
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@princessandtoad @biglad1 @teaandpretzels @WeNurses @AgencyNurse @nmcnews NA will have their own pin #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:39
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RT @nmcnews: Good question - any suggestions? We have been talking about 'the wider nursing team' #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NRCUK/status/992125525270425602 |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:39
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@AgencyNurse @WeNurses onus is on us to thrash out these risks before they start practicing. All I’ve ever called for is a review of the evidence and a professional debate on this but it’s not been permitted. It’s always been a half thought through ‘must do’ #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:39
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RT @ecwestcott: @AgencyNurse #wenurses as a prof reg, we say what NAs know & can do, we won't set reqs for deployment but guidance from sys… |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:39
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@NRCUK @ProfJuneG Luckily in Wales we have #national uniform #wenurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:39
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RT @fiholley: @ecwestcott @maxwele2 @nmcnews Agree, appropriate staffing should be based on patient acuity & dependency #WeNurses NAs have… |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:39
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Important point here. #wenurses https://twitter.com/catherine_ph3/status/992124503542124544 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:40
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@maxwele2 @WeNurses *sigh* and have to agree ! #WeNurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:40
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@JRom_Nursing @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews sadly it’s invisible to many #wenurses |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:40
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#wenurses I have no problem with this and it widens access for those who later want to become a RN https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:40
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Thanks for sharing your perspective - please send it in to our #NAconsultation #WeNurses https://twitter.com/catherine_ph3/status/992126148313337858 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:40
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992126741287198720 |
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@GGByrne
03 May 2018 20:40
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@AgencyNurse @maxwele2 @WeNurses A third or fourth year student nurse will have the benefit of further education than an NA - should they be left to do medications unsupervised too? #WeNurses |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:41
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Question 3 #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:41
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@selenam738 @ProfJuneG #wenurses Of course there are role definitions related to training/skill... but in terms of valuing the role (apparently nurses need support given the shortages) and professional protectionism, will NA's be "part of the family" We know how constructive/corrosive culture is |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:41
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@GGByrne @maxwele2 @AgencyNurse @WeNurses How would you ‘sell’ it? What words would you use to describe the profession and its unique contribution? #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:41
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Such an important point here. #wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/992125067621478400 |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:41
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@RobertsonDebbie
03 May 2018 20:41
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@ProfJuneG We are a profession and have fought to be recognised as such #wenurses |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:41
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Question 3 is here #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:41
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Question 3 - what about the qualification ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:41
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@princessandtoad @biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews So you could be a registered nurse. #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:41
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@ProfJuneG @nmcnews I think you’ll find it does- varied teaching styles, assessments and modules? It’s the very essence of being diverse. #WeNurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:41
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@cherylwilson2 @NRCUK @ProfJuneG National uniform a great idea. Would love to see this started with #NursingAssociates #WeNurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:42
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@AgencyNurse @WeNurses I have officially given up, but if my worst fears (for nursing associates attending FtP hearings and for patient safety) are realised, I will know I tried #wenurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:42
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wenurses I have no problem with this and it widens access for those who later want to become a RN https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:42
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Now here is a very interesting question !! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/GGByrne/status/992126862846562305 |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:42
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RT @NRCUK: @selenam738 @ProfJuneG #wenurses Of course there are role definitions related to training/skill... but in terms of valuing the… |
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@CentristRn
03 May 2018 20:42
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RT @WeNurses: #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Saucy/status/992125590424768512 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:43
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We are talking to patients about the role. The professions are concerned the distinction, but patients tend to emphasise the competence of the person caring for them as what matters mostt, regardless of their title #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ProfJuneG/status/992125490461921280 |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:43
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@WeNurses From experience I have seen this route undertaken to develop HCSW in Band 3 roles many of whom have undertaken further route to RN on the job #fabnurses #growyourown @AneurinBevanUHB @claire_aston1 @Carolyn34249444 #WeNurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:43
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#wenurses DH consultation response makes clear that whoever has oversight of NAs, they will use their prof judgement and be accountable |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:43
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@LGT_NAs @cherylwilson2 @NRCUK @ProfJuneG I’m feeling 1980 all over again, clearly time to retire #wenurses |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 20:43
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@maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA role, be excellent role models as RNs and coach, guide and develop the future workforce. |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:43
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@NRCUK The collective is Registered Nurses. I wouldn't include NAs in this as they are not nurses. #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:43
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RT @ecwestcott: #wenurses DH consultation response makes clear that whoever has oversight of NAs, they will use their prof judgement and be… |
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@PUNCadp
03 May 2018 20:43
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@AgencyNurse Very interesting! #WeNurses |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:43
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RT @ecwestcott: #wenurses DH consultation response makes clear that whoever has oversight of NAs, they will use their prof judgement and be… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:44
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@KateF224
03 May 2018 20:44
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@ProfJuneG Why have nurses as a profession undertaken studies to measure patient outcomes with a graduate registered nurse workforce ? Reduction in mortality rates. Use the evidence to support skillmix and staffing levels with graduate registered nurses #wenurses |
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@JRom_Nursing
03 May 2018 20:44
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@maxwele2 @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews Or completely ignored #WeNurses |
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@kerrylou85
03 May 2018 20:44
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:44
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@ProfJuneG @biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews #WeNurses but what’s the point if a band 4 can practically be a nurse it’s a little disheartening really isn’t it |
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@rhiannon134
03 May 2018 20:44
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@WeNurses Hello, sorry joining in late #WeNurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:44
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@LGT_NAs @cherylwilson2 @NRCUK @ProfJuneG I am definitely up for that as well. Anything to support acknowledging and recognising #NA. Equally important for patients. #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:44
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@cherylwilson2 @ProfJuneG very sensible.... How many patients can, would, challenge care from a member of staff? The should be empowered to ask if people are qualified to deliver the care they are giving, but given average patients it looks like a bunch of jockeys run hospitals to me #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:44
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@princessandtoad @biglad1 @teaandpretzels @WeNurses @AgencyNurse @nmcnews That's no different to support roles now, though. #WeNurses |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 20:44
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@kerrylou85
03 May 2018 20:44
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@MaryDunningTU @WeNurses @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse Love this tweet. Couldn’t agree more #wenurses |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:44
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@Topcliffe @WeNurses @nmcnews What’s the wrong sort of people #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:44
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Another interesting point #WeNurses https://twitter.com/emmasarahs/status/992127696825147393 |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @JRom_Nursing: @maxwele2 @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews I think that evidence has been "glossed" over #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:45
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@WeNurses Yes. As a minimum. #WeNurses |
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@GGByrne
03 May 2018 20:45
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@JackieSmith_nmc @maxwele2 @AgencyNurse @WeNurses That’s the challenge. Part of the problem is the nursing role is hard to define - RCN definition of nursing alone is 31 pages. The CSP’s definition of Physiotherapy in contrast is a page on it’s website (not saying the role’s that simple, but it’s better defined) #WeNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:45
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@LGT_NAs @NRCUK @ProfJuneG It’s been in place for many years in Wales ?????????????? #onewales #nursing includes our documentation too #unification #wenurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:45
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@WeMHNurses no problem with that, more concerned about being a registrant with NMC- implies parity with nurses and midwives. (as trainee NAs on Twitter have already asserted) #wenurses |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @maxwele2: @JRom_Nursing @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews sadly it’s invisible to many #wenurses |
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@KWebbNurse
03 May 2018 20:45
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @AgencyNurse @nmcnews In care homes if the person is assessed as “residential” then senior HCAs trained in meds management administer CDs and other meds except insulin. Nurse on shift give “nursing” residents their more complex meds eg insulin, anti epilepsy meds. #WeNurses |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @JRom_Nursing: @maxwele2 @JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews Or completely ignored #WeNurses |
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@WeCommNurses
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:45
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In our model of training, once students achieve proficiency in an area (like meds), they don't require the same supervision. That'll be true whether they're RNs or NAs #WeNurses https://twitter.com/GGByrne/status/992126862846562305 |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@WeSchoolNurses
03 May 2018 20:45
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 - should the NA qualification be a foundation degree? #WeNurses https://t.co/DMxt9ZpKKT |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:45
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#WeNurses joining the chat late six - June do Pts know now who is who - not saying that’s right but do they? https://twitter.com/nmcnews/status/992127409888612352 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:46
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RT @ecwestcott: #wenurses DH consultation response makes clear that whoever has oversight of NAs, they will use their prof judgement and be… |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:46
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I know many don't agree with the NA role ... but this is where we are ... so my thought is educate them to the highest level we can and the best we can in the two years of training ... then encourage them to go further #WeNurses |
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@catherine_ph3
03 May 2018 20:46
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@WeNurses Hopefully the term ‘foundation degree’ will assist with public understanding of the level of the programme and with the progression into a ‘nursing degree’ should nursing associates wish to progress #wenurses |
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@fiholley
03 May 2018 20:46
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#WeNurses @ecwestcott @AgencyNurse @JackieSmith_nmc sorry got to go now, will catch up on final 15min later! Thanks for chat ?? |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:46
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#wenurses This is a good question and deserves further debate. However as a student they will not be on a professional register until completed a programme https://twitter.com/ggbyrne/status/992126862846562305 |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:46
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@KWebbNurse @biglad1 @AgencyNurse @nmcnews That’s a residential home not a nursing home!!! Unless Home is dual registered. #WeNurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:46
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Very powerful #NA #WeNurses https://twitter.com/MaryDunningTU/status/992127561793785857 |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:46
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@cherylwilson2 @LGT_NAs @ProfJuneG Is that because Wales doesn't get sold ideas by uniform suppliers??? :) #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:47
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@biglad1 @princessandtoad @teaandpretzels @WeNurses @AgencyNurse @nmcnews No the person administering the medication and signing for it will be accountable. #WeNurses |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:47
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#WeNurses @ProfJuneG I suppose there's always a chance that there may be some who think they are able to do more - but that happens in all walks of life. |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:47
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:47
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:47
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wenurses This is a good question and deserves further debate. However as a student they will not be on a professional re… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:47
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RT @maaike30be: Very powerful #NA #WeNurses https://twitter.com/MaryDunningTU/status/992127561793785857 |
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@cocovinzy
03 May 2018 20:47
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Sometimes competency is honed through experience not by title itself, I know everything is taught in a class room setup but caring, skills and critical thinking of us nurses are sharpened through experience #wenurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:48
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QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:48
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#WeNurses - why are meds always made a big issue of how do we test proficiency with regards to how NAs RN Speak to pts? https://twitter.com/nmcnews/status/992128116784091140 |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:48
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@MaryDunningTU @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @AgencyNurse I’m actively trying to improve the relationship. I’ve incorporated a NA role into the structure of the Nursing Society committee at uni. #WeNurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:48
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@AgencyNurse Briggs report anybody? we don’t know our history and we don’t read the evidence so we are destined to make the same mistakes. It’s not too late to make this a useful and rewarding role- but I can’t see any sign we’ve learnt anything #wenurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:48
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@GGByrne @AgencyNurse @maxwele2 @WeNurses Only if robustly trained in meds relevant tests passed and evidenced, competences undertaken and #delegated by an RN #wenurses |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:48
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Should nursing associates revalidate ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:48
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@wendyjpitt61
03 May 2018 20:48
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@princessandtoad @ProfJuneG @biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews It's back to the 80s isn't it with the SEN/RGN roles and I'm afraid it's finance and not EBP that wins the day #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:48
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:48
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Question 4 - is all about revalidation #Wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:49
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RT @maaike30be: Very powerful #NA #WeNurses https://twitter.com/MaryDunningTU/status/992127561793785857 |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:49
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:49
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@NRCUK @cherylwilson2 That's the problem. It's incumbent upon the professional to make itnclear to the patient they are dealing with. Not rely on the patient to recognise some uniform. #WeNurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:49
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/Zoe_Catrin/status/992128734869245952 |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:49
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@catherine_ph3 @nmcnews @WeNurses They may wish, but I don’t think there’s going to be the funding. Hence why I think we’re likely to see a lot of people get stuck there like with Associate Practitioners #WeNurses |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:49
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#WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:49
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@cherylwilson2 @WeLDnurses I also started as an Enrolled Nurse in 1984, did the conversion course 1993, and two years ago completed 'Return to Practice' 2016 #weLDNs #wenurses #NAconsultation |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:49
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RT @HeatherBain9: #wenurses I have no problem with this and it widens access for those who later want to become a RN https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992126027047559170 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:49
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@JFr4ser
03 May 2018 20:49
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@nmcnews How do they measure that? Particularly if cognitively impaired. Families without knowledge feel unable to challenge even the most obvious BS in my experience #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:49
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:50
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@NRCUK Yes, I do. I'd love it to be the latter but...I don't think so, do you? #WeNurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:50
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Yes it’s important to do CPD in any aspect of the profession #weNurses https://twitter.com/wecypnurses/status/992128799721623552 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:50
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@GGByrne
03 May 2018 20:50
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@donkydonks @JackieSmith_nmc @maxwele2 @AgencyNurse @WeNurses Then I’d better be an NA then - because I’m not studying to nurse paperwork and pills. This is why we need better nurse-patient ratios. Every ward nurse should have time to be a “bedside nurse” #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:50
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:50
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#WeNurses - can anyone help to answer this ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/OdpAcp/status/992129168170274830 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 20:50
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@WeNurses It definitely makes more sense to extend the current Code than have two separate ones. However, I’ve heard comments like “why did I study for 3 years when I could’ve just done 2?” etc. and I think “sharing” a Code with associates could increase that. #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:50
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RT @KarriPops: Yes it’s important to do CPD in any aspect of the profession #weNurses https://twitter.com/wecypnurses/status/992128799721623552 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:50
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#WeNurses https://twitter.com/AmyFletcher1983/status/992129200751632391 |
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@RobertsonDebbie
03 May 2018 20:51
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Very good point. So let’s make sure the standards and competencies are fit for purpose #wenurses https://twitter.com/agencynurse/status/992128215073394689 |
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@ajm398
03 May 2018 20:51
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@WeCYPnurses #wenurses yes they should revalidate to help demonstrate there compentency |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:51
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RT @RobertsonDebbie: Very good point. So let’s make sure the standards and competencies are fit for purpose #wenurses https://t.co/6cJS6GR4… |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:51
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:51
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@WeNurses @nmcnews I’m sure it’ll be helpful for them but doesn’t that make it sound like they’ll be practising at NA for a while then? I thought they were supposed to be bridging up to RN rather quickly #WeNurses |
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@JustBetterNotTo
03 May 2018 20:51
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@ProfJuneG @NRCUK @cherylwilson2 Not to mention the fact that not all nurses where a uniform, many mental health nurses don't. #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:51
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RT @ajm398: @WeCYPnurses #wenurses yes they should revalidate to help demonstrate there compentency |
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@VictoriaWDaley
03 May 2018 20:51
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@WeNurses Yes as ‘registrants’ they are also working to a code. #WeNurses |
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@kerrylou85
03 May 2018 20:51
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@WeNurses Yes! If NA’s are to be regulated by @nmcnews, have to adhere to the code, be subject to the same fitness to practice procedures, then yes I believe NA’s should follow the same/similar revalidation process #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:51
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@cherylwilson2 @NRCUK A uniform doesn't't make you competent. #wenurses |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 20:51
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@AgencyNurse #WeNurses I wasn't sure at first of the NA role but meeting student NAs I have been really impressed. With good support structures, good mentorship, coaching, education and training we can influence this role and continue to protect patients positively. |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:51
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@JackieSmith_nmc @GGByrne @AgencyNurse @WeNurses I would use the evidence, and Virginia Henderson’s definition. Nursing adds value mostly through vigilance and case management- need more than 280 character to do it justice #wenurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:51
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RT @RobertsonDebbie: Very good point. So let’s make sure the standards and competencies are fit for purpose #wenurses https://t.co/6cJS6GR4… |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:51
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#WeNurses If we want NAs on the register and I do for sure then they must be subjected to the same stringent regulation that revalidation brings for all registrants https://twitter.com/bjnursing/status/992129101052948480 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 20:52
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@WeNurses I think it makes more sense to modify the current Code than not to, overall, though - after all, a lot of the expectations will be the same: prioritising people, effective and safe practice, professionalism. #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:52
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RT @KarriPops: Yes it’s important to do CPD in any aspect of the profession #weNurses https://twitter.com/wecypnurses/status/992128799721623552 |
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@JRom_Nursing
03 May 2018 20:52
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@GGByrne @AgencyNurse @maxwele2 @WeNurses An excellent point. Goes to show how the planning of new roles reveals inconsistencies in current training. Doesn't so much as "bridge the gap" but "reveals the gaps" #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:53
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@ProfJuneG @cherylwilson2 Agreed, so why make your hospital look like a parade? :) badges do the trick surely? #wenurses |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 20:53
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#WeNurses the role should have the same regs as the others ie revalidation and reflection, it's important to get the chance to discuss things and reflect on your role. |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:53
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses If we want NAs on the register and I do for sure then they must be subjected to the same stringent regulation that… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:53
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @AgencyNurse #WeNurses I wasn't sure at first of the NA role but meeting student NAs I have been really impressed. With… |
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@scares1
03 May 2018 20:53
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:53
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RT @KarriPops: Yes it’s important to do CPD in any aspect of the profession #weNurses https://twitter.com/wecypnurses/status/992128799721623552 |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:53
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#Wenurses https://twitter.com/wendyjpitt61/status/992129913414148096 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:53
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my view, blended learning covers teachings methods and assessment methods - not content. #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:53
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RT @ajm398: @WeCYPnurses #wenurses yes they should revalidate to help demonstrate there compentency |
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@WeStudentNurse
03 May 2018 20:54
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@WeNurses Revalidation is essential for all members of the #MDT #weNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:54
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@ProfJuneG @NRCUK Quite obviously not however as you are fully aware in Wales at least we are unified throughout in our uniforms , and paperwork documentation which provides visual assistance and familiarity with #whoswho #wenurses ???????????????? |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:54
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@ajm398 @WeCYPnurses Definitely #WeNurses |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:54
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#wenurses PGDs is not the route we should be going down . The development of other professionals prescribing should stop pgds being used inappropriately. Also don’t get confused between prescribing and medicine administration https://twitter.com/agencynurse/status/992129317604855811 |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:54
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@OdpAcp @AgencyNurse @HeatherBain9 @WeNurses no requirement for that, the Medicines Act is not what prevents non RNs admistering drugs now #wenurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:54
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RT @WeStudentNurse: @WeNurses Revalidation is essential for all members of the #MDT #weNurses |
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@mjaj_77
03 May 2018 20:54
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#WeNurses - just thinking back to some feedback from nurses about the benefits of a regular band 4 in supporting the b5’s as opposed to non-regular b5 staff. |
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@MandyHemstock
03 May 2018 20:54
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@WeNurses Yes #WeNurses ?? |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:54
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RT @WeStudentNurse: @WeNurses Revalidation is essential for all members of the #MDT #weNurses |
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@TimSpurs
03 May 2018 20:54
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@WeLDnurses How do HCA & HCSW at Band 4 revalidate? #wenurses #NAconsultation |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:54
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@nmcnews OK. And how are they judging that competence? #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:54
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I agree - the Nursing Assosciates need to keep up to date and should be subject to the same revalidation process #WeNurses https://twitter.com/lilian_wittman/status/992129949132783617 |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:54
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@hellomynameisEv @WeNurses @AneurinBevanUHB @claire_aston1 @Carolyn34249444 Me too and now I have two as colleagues #community #nurses and good ones #wenurses |
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@HeatherBain9
03 May 2018 20:55
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/ecwestcott/status/992129331886469125 |
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@RobertsonDebbie
03 May 2018 20:55
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RT @AgencyNurse: #WeNurses - can anyone help to answer this ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/OdpAcp/status/992129168170274830 |
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@DewisKelly
03 May 2018 20:55
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@PUNCadp
03 May 2018 20:55
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@WeNurses Certainly #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:55
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RT @AgencyNurse: I agree - the Nursing Assosciates need to keep up to date and should be subject to the same revalidation process #WeNurses… |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:55
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:55
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@cherylwilson2 @ProfJuneG England likes to do things differently for the sake of being different, so many egos wanting to drive change that changing organisation's needs almost total retraining for nurses! #wenurses |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:55
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#WeNurses I was and SEN also and I would not have wanted to be judged any less than my RN colleagues. High-quality care means high-quality regulation which means that we all have to perform to the same standards nothing less https://twitter.com/agencynurse/status/992130059443097601 |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 20:55
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@WeNurses Yes but I think it needs to be thought about when we have NAs about who will be doing the verification - just registered nurses or with qualified NAs be allowed too in time? #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:55
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RT @lilian_wittman: #WeNurses the role should have the same regs as the others ie revalidation and reflection, it's important to get the ch… |
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@ajm398
03 May 2018 20:55
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#wenurses the role of NA is helping to support the band 3 workforce and bridge gap to RN |
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@RobertsonDebbie
03 May 2018 20:56
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No requirement for a change in the medicines act. Once they become registrants they can be added to PGDs but is this really the way forward? #wenurses https://twitter.com/agencynurse/status/992129317604855811 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:56
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@KateF224 Absolutely agree with you. #WeNurses |
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@chloepoll1995
03 May 2018 20:56
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I definetly think so, it is a excellent way, to grow within the workplace and also have some pride in your work. Especially those days that are the hardest and most challenging, to look at your revalidation can give you the boost you need. #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 20:56
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@AgencyNurse @nmcnews I hadn’t thought of this, would def. like to know the answer though. I assume they’ll pay less than registered nurses, as they do less - but is that fair? What proportion of work done by NMC is due to medication issues? If not high %, maybe associates should pay same? #WeNurses |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:56
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RT @AgencyNurse: I agree - the Nursing Assosciates need to keep up to date and should be subject to the same revalidation process #WeNurses… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:56
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5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:56
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@WeLDnurses
03 May 2018 20:56
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@WeMHNurses
03 May 2018 20:56
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@Louise_Akeroyd
03 May 2018 20:56
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RT @lilian_wittman: #WeNurses the role should have the same regs as the others ie revalidation and reflection, it's important to get the ch… |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 20:57
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@princessandtoad @biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews But they can't. You are doing yourself and your profession a disservice by thinking this. Doing tasks doesn't make a Registered Nurse. #wenurses |
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@KarriPops
03 May 2018 20:57
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@JenKenward
03 May 2018 20:57
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RT @AgencyNurse: I agree - the Nursing Assosciates need to keep up to date and should be subject to the same revalidation process #WeNurses… |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 20:57
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:57
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@caffeinurse @nmcnews NMC tweeted earlier that the regulation cost would be the same as essentially the process is the same for all #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:57
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@kerrylou85 @WeNurses surely anybody that has been trained and can be proved competent can do anything? Huge diversity in what nurses across bands do, why is any other role limited to access to skills, this is what slows care done & builds pressure #wenurses |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:57
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@laura83400751 @nmcnews Did you explain the evidence base around graduate nursing? My point being that, with the greatest respect, most patients don’t understand anything about NA, RNs or what any of those brightly coloured people do. #WeNurses |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 20:58
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@nmcnews Glad to hear that - it would make the most sense imo! #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 20:58
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@cherylwilson2 @ProfJuneG one day :) #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 20:58
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@caffeinurse @nmcnews (hope i paraphrased that correctly!) #Wenurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 20:58
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@JackieSmith_nmc @ProfJuneG @nmcnews we should do it collectively not individually- that we require the opportunity to debate and even disagree to reach the safest role jurisdiction #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@peteralanellis
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@BJNursing
03 May 2018 20:58
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#WeNurses Let is all work together to provide high-quality care of the people we have the privilege to care for https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992130837989773314 |
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@princessandtoad
03 May 2018 20:58
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@ProfJuneG @biglad1 @maaike30be @AgencyNurse @nmcnews Speak to other nurses and they feel the same #WeNurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses - absolutely same revalidation regs for NAs as RNs pts deserve that https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992128666091089927 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses Let is all work together to provide high-quality care of the people we have the privilege to care for https://t.co… |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @WeNurses: 5 MINUTES LEFT Any final points or thoughts ?? #WeNurses https://t.co/8SAliwHEqK |
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@keeling_michael
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @WeNurses: Lets get going with Question 1 - Its all about extending the current code .... #WeNurses https://t.co/kxoLWnRhlH |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @BJNursing: #WeNurses Let is all work together to provide high-quality care of the people we have the privilege to care for https://t.co… |
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@ajm398
03 May 2018 20:58
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@WeNurses #WeNurses we have to do something different, fantastic opportunity to support band 3 workforce increase knowledge |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 20:58
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RT @ajm398: @WeNurses #WeNurses we have to do something different, fantastic opportunity to support band 3 workforce increase knowledge |
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@WeMidwives
03 May 2018 20:58
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what are you closing thoughts on Nursing Associate role and the consultation? Share via #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992130837989773314 |
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@optimistgarden
03 May 2018 20:59
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This is an important point for @nmcnews to consider carefully. It needs dealing with seriously. #wenurses https://twitter.com/maxwele2/status/992128051134844930 |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 20:59
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@laura83400751 @nmcnews This is the problem about asking about the patient’s seal of approval on NAs. They don’t have the knowledge-base to be able to appraise them as a concept. It’s just another nurse to them #WeNurses |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 20:59
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RT @RobertsonDebbie: Very good point. So let’s make sure the standards and competencies are fit for purpose #wenurses https://t.co/6cJS6GR4… |
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@RobertsonDebbie
03 May 2018 20:59
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Working together in a multidisciplinary team for better patient outcomes should be our focus #wenurses. Welcome NAs into the fold https://twitter.com/wenurses/status/992130837989773314 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 20:59
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@MaryDunningTU @WeNurses I’m sure you want that of any employee of NHS, though. This is why I dislike the term “qualified” instead of “registered”. Everyone should be qualified to do the job they are doing. NMC regulation will muddy the waters in terms of who counts as “registered” though ofc! #WeNurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 20:59
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As for RNs, we recommend the confrimer is a line manager, but it's not restricted to RNs. We expect NAs will take up this role as they mature. The reflective discussion part will have to be with someone who is registered with us #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ClaireA1981/status/992130593864417280 |
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@WeCYPnurses
03 May 2018 20:59
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what are you closing thoughts on Nursing Associate role and the consultation? Share via #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992130837989773314 |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 20:59
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@WeNurses Make certain you take part in the #NAconsultation @nmcnews everyone #WeNurses |
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@lilian_wittman
03 May 2018 21:00
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#WeNurses coaching, support, mentorship and competencies - all vital elements to making the role work. |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:00
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@BJNursing NO, I don't think they do, but generally assume anyone who attends to them at the bedside is a 'Nurse'. Adding another support role to this group just compounds the issue. #wenurses |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 21:00
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@caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skills (distinctive) |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:00
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#wenurses https://twitter.com/laura83400751/status/992128571245318145 |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 21:00
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@WeNurses #Wenurses I agree it should mirror the same process as the RN as it gives a great sense of pride to acknowledge the standard of ones practice, to reflect on the code and remind ourselves of our purpose & function. |
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@joan_myers
03 May 2018 21:00
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RT @nmcnews: Good question - any suggestions? We have been talking about 'the wider nursing team' #WeNurses https://twitter.com/NRCUK/status/992125525270425602 |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:01
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IMPORTANT please ensure that you take part in the Nursing Associate consultation #NAconsultation .. the link is here > https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/ #WeNurses https://t.co/r321pFbwUO |
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@ClaireAgnewRN
03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @maaike30be @LGT_NAs @ecwestcott @KarriPops @AgencyNurse #WeNurses Change brings opportunities, let's embrace the NA rol… |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 21:01
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@JeepersMcCoy @ProfJuneG @NRCUK @cherylwilson2 Importance of name badges and a good #Hellomynameis introduction #WeNurses |
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@maxwele2
03 May 2018 21:01
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#wenurses I’m still waiting to see the evidence review, the scope and method of the evaluation and most importantly, the risk assessment before Nursing Associates licences. My professional code of conduct requires me to be evidence based (apparently) |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @cherylwilson2: @WeNurses Make certain you take part in the #NAconsultation @nmcnews everyone #WeNurses |
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@selenam738
03 May 2018 21:01
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Final thought:NMC needs to engage with its workforce, listen & not be quiet. You need to be a stronger voice for us all. #wenurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @WeCYPnurses: what are you closing thoughts on Nursing Associate role and the consultation? Share via #wenurses https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/992130837989773314 |
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03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @maxwele2: #wenurses I’m still waiting to see the evidence review, the scope and method of the evaluation and most importantly, the risk… |
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@ajm398
03 May 2018 21:01
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#WeNurses generic course must mean equal teaching on mental health learning disability.. |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @maxwele2: #wenurses I’m still waiting to see the evidence review, the scope and method of the evaluation and most importantly, the risk… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:01
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @WeNurses #Wenurses I agree it should mirror the same process as the RN as it gives a great sense of pride to acknowledg… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @AgencyNurse #WeNurses I wasn't sure at first of the NA role but meeting student NAs I have been really impressed. With… |
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@ClaireAgnewRN
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @AgencyNurse #WeNurses I wasn't sure at first of the NA role but meeting student NAs I have been really impressed. With… |
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@optimistgarden
03 May 2018 21:02
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@WeNurses Yes. If they're to be regulated then they must revalidate. #wenurses #nobrainer |
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@WilliamRayment
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:02
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@WeNurses Yes. If they're to be regulated then they must revalidate. #wenurses #nobrainer |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @ProfJuneG: @WeNurses Yes. If they're to be regulated then they must revalidate. #wenurses #nobrainer |
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@ClaireAgnewRN
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 21:02
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RT @ProfJuneG: @WeNurses Yes. If they're to be regulated then they must revalidate. #wenurses #nobrainer |
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@cherylwilson2
03 May 2018 21:02
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@WeNurses Goodnight all #EN Cheryl ?? #wenurses ?? |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:02
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Some excellent food for thought tonight - please get thinking and make sure you let us know what you think of our proposals at http://nmc.org.uk/naconsultation #WeNurses https://twitter.com/cherylwilson2/status/992131669703495686 |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:03
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:03
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @WeNurses #Wenurses I agree it should mirror the same process as the RN as it gives a great sense of pride to acknowledg… |
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@BornTooSoonKH
03 May 2018 21:03
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RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 - what about revalidation ? #WeNurses https://t.co/Pi9MJBFnsp |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:03
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Thats all for tonight folks - lots of diverse opinion tonight ... thank you all for disagreeing respectfully and with consideration #WeNurses https://t.co/6XTcTAfwak |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:03
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This. A thousand times this. #wenurses https://twitter.com/JFr4ser/status/992129144044638208 |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:03
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@AgencyNurse Except that it’s not a fair test. The people becoming NAs now are the cream of the crop. They’re Band 3s with years of experience. The future NAs will be less prepared and probably given less funding for their training. #WeNurses |
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@keeling_michael
03 May 2018 21:04
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@NRCUK @cherylwilson2 @ProfJuneG Yes, I think there is a lot to be said for considering a national uniform policy across NHS.. #wenurses easily recognisable who's who nationally... |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:04
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Thank you to team @nmcnews - @ecwestcott & @JackieSmith_nmc for joining us #WeNurses https://t.co/paWjWIa6H5 |
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@carolgair
03 May 2018 21:04
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@GGByrne @AgencyNurse @maxwele2 @WeNurses Reminds me of 1970/80s chat - 3rd year students running the ward. #wenurses |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 21:04
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@laura83400751 @Ant8Johnson8 @nmcnews @TeamNUH @catherine_ph3 Being enthusiastic and engaged is one of the reasons the @Teambramley1 are so well received #WeNurses #nursingassociates |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:04
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WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel! More post chat info here http://wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4179 and summmary coming soon.. https://t.co/qrSQTm65IO |
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@ecwestcott
03 May 2018 21:05
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@CarleeMercedes5 @louise_ljb76 Thanks Carlee! I am looking f/w to visiting Cov #nursingassociates #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:05
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@Ant8Johnson8 @WeNurses @nmcnews I think that's pretty unlikely. #wenurses |
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@maaike30be
03 May 2018 21:05
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@JenKenward
03 May 2018 21:05
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:05
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I hope you can see from this and the other work we're doing that we're listening and engaging with as many people as we can. There's always room for more #WeNurses https://twitter.com/selenam738/status/992132054841282560 |
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@WeCommNurses
03 May 2018 21:06
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RT @WeNurses: Thank you to team @nmcnews - @ecwestcott & @JackieSmith_nmc for joining us #WeNurses https://t.co/paWjWIa6H5 |
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@LGT_NAs
03 May 2018 21:06
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 21:06
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@ClaireA1981
03 May 2018 21:06
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:06
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@WeMHNurses One thought: what happens when disorientated/confused patients ask an associate for meds, and are told they have to go find a registered nurse? Could lead to patients being distressed/frustrated/etc. Need to work out how to simply explain role of associate to people... #WeNurses |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:06
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@laura83400751 @nmcnews @TeamNUH @ClaireA1981 @catherine_ph3 That’s great but it doesn’t change the evidence base. Nor does it change the fact that you should be seconded to be an RN now not whenever your trust manages to find the funds to do it in however many years. NHS Staff as usual, sell themselves short #WeNurses |
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@JackieSmith_nmc
03 May 2018 21:06
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:06
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NEXT WEEK Join us on TUES for an early Celebration of International Nurses Day with @WendyJNicholson, @PennyGreenwood Details here > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/4176 #WeNurses https://t.co/R0PMFvoQug |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 21:06
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@caffeinurse @WeNurses #WeNurses it is about the person delivering my care being competent. Being registered, regulated by a professional body is something I really value and what it conveys. I worked hard for my registration, I value being regulated by a professional body&through my self-regulation. |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:07
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We need to not assume the first cohort of TNAs will be typical - we need to future-proof our standards #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992132683491835910 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:07
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RT @WeNurses: Thanks for the reminder June ... and here is the link to do just that > https://www.nmc.org.uk/standards/nursing-associates/nursing-associate-consultation/ #WeNurses https://t.co/6jqR3a… |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:07
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AND NEXT THURS Understanding leadership needs with @CatherinePelley > https://buff.ly/2HscbkA #WeNurses |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:07
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RT @ProfJuneG: @Ant8Johnson8 @WeNurses @nmcnews I think that's pretty unlikely. #wenurses |
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@selenam738
03 May 2018 21:07
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@nmcnews #wenurses @nmcnews indeed there is, always. Looking forward to ‘hearing’ so much more from our Regulating body. |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:08
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@cherylwilson2 @NRCUK Already there. As a patient it's not so different.... #wenurses |
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@carolgair
03 May 2018 21:08
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@GGByrne @AgencyNurse @maxwele2 @WeNurses How does an NA then become competent but a 3rd year student RN not? #wenurses Very interesting point. |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:08
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@nmcnews I hope so #WeNurses |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:08
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@AgencyNurse If they didn’t put it in, you can guarantee someone will grumble at “that’s not in my job description”! It’s not in *my* job description, but I do it when it’s needed… ?? #WeNurses |
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@NRCUK
03 May 2018 21:08
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@selenam738 hmmmm people have very different views on @nmcnews's role is... they are a regulator, here to ensure patients are safe... "engage with its workforce, listen & not be quiet" I agree with "need to be a stronger voice for us all" I don't think that's their role, is it? #wenurses |
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@nmcnews
03 May 2018 21:09
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@zorgenzo
03 May 2018 21:09
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:10
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@laura83400751 @nmcnews @TeamNUH @ClaireA1981 @catherine_ph3 I never said it would? But you’re using an emotional argument to negate the fact that the evidence does not support the introduction of NAs. #WeNurses |
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@EleanorMcManus
03 May 2018 21:10
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@WeNurses This happens in many places anyway, particularly in the regulated care sector. NAs will have a FdSc and do the same pharmacology module our pre-Reg students do. They are knowledgable and well trained. There’s no place for elitism in the modern NHS. #wenurses #nursingassociates |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:11
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@caffeinurse @MaryDunningTU @WeNurses Think Nurses need to ensure that they are referred to as Registered Nurse in future, all the time. #wenurses |
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@MaryDunningTU
03 May 2018 21:11
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@WeNurses #WeNurses through the revalidation process for NAs it would be good if they reflected on the role of the RNs contribution to care and how this fits with NAs role. Acknowledgement & appreciation of the RN role and how it influences their role. |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:11
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@WeNurses @maxwele2 Agreed. I’d be very surprised if it isn’t taught though. (Would it be like nursing degrees where universities decide what they’re going to teach, and @nmcnews vet the curriculum to ensure it’s acceptable?) #WeNurses |
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@WeNurses
03 May 2018 21:11
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RT @MaryDunningTU: @WeNurses #WeNurses through the revalidation process for NAs it would be good if they reflected on the role of the RNs c… |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:12
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@ecwestcott @caffeinurse The proficiencies aren't distinctive enough. I've raised this in the consultation. #wenurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:13
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RT @maxwele2: #wenurses I’m still waiting to see the evidence review, the scope and method of the evaluation and most importantly, the risk… |
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@sanrgn
03 May 2018 21:14
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RT @MaryDunningTU: #WeNurses remembering we are the culture, we are the profession, believe a professional attitude is key, responding resp… |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:14
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@WeNurses Unsure. Seems fair (to award a full degree after 2yrs instead of 3yrs wouldn’t be right) — but could also consider making it an HND, like the diploma nurses. Flipside to that - if diploma, people would ask what difference is btwn diploma nurse vs nurse associate… #WeNurses |
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@acockroft
03 May 2018 21:14
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@WorldofGoodBook Be interesting to see how this translates into the #nhs Maybe need a #WeNurses meets #hrhour chat? |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:14
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My guess is they will fizzle out once numbers of RNs start increasing. #wenurses https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992132683491835910 |
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@mjaj_77
03 May 2018 21:14
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@EleanorMcManus
03 May 2018 21:15
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@DavidGreen66 @WeNurses @nmcnews There’s nothing to say that they can’t, only that it isn’t a core route of administration that ALL NAs can do as a blanket rule. Local training and governance arrangements need to be put in place to enable wider scope of administration #wenurses #nursingassociates |
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@RobinHadley1
03 May 2018 21:16
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RT @ProfJuneG: My guess is they will fizzle out once numbers of RNs start increasing. #wenurses https://twitter.com/Ant8Johnson8/status/992132683491835910 |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:16
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@ProfJuneG 700 down this year, I look forward to the explosion in recruitment #BursaryOrBust #WeNurses |
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@acockroft
03 May 2018 21:16
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@WeNurses If it works, why not apply to all #nhs employees? #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:16
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Oh my word. Part of me is pleased to see this. Part of me is scared witless. #wenurses https://twitter.com/nmcnews/status/992133450927951872 |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:17
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@AgencyNurse Great way of thinking about it, I was thinking along the same lines. I already know people doing/starting the nursing associate course, who are considering top-up later - see it as good way to break up the degree into more manageable chunks #WeNurses |
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@CatherinePelley
03 May 2018 21:17
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RT @WeNurses: AND NEXT THURS Understanding leadership needs with @CatherinePelley > https://buff.ly/2HscbkA #WeNurses |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:18
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@WeNurses Absolutely, definitely, without any hesitation. Anyone can become deskilled and need to be revalidated, regardless of how much university education they have. #WeNurses |
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@Eleanor0405
03 May 2018 21:18
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RT @MaryDunningTU: #WeNurses Thinking of it from a patient perspective I want whoever is delivering my care to be competent, know and under… |
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@alimully
03 May 2018 21:18
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RT @maxwele2: #wenurses I’m still waiting to see the evidence review, the scope and method of the evaluation and most importantly, the risk… |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:19
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RT @ProfJuneG: Oh my word. Part of me is pleased to see this. Part of me is scared witless. #wenurses https://twitter.com/nmcnews/status/992133450927951872 |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:19
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@caffeinurse @WeNurses The difference is the academic level. An FD is not at the same level as a Bachelors Degree. It's not about length of time. #wenurses |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:21
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@AgencyNurse I don’t know, I’ve heard suggestions (by quite high-up people) of nursing associates leading wards that require a little less staff input, relying on RMNs being on wards nearby should help be needed. Not sure I’m comfortable with that idea! #WeNurses |
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@ProfJuneG
03 May 2018 21:21
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@Ant8Johnson8 Haha!! They'll come through. Lower applications doesn't mean fewer students. #wenurses |
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@AgencyNurse
03 May 2018 21:21
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@caffeinurse I am definitely NOT comfy with that idea !! #WeNurses |
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@PUNC14
03 May 2018 21:22
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RT @WeNurses: WOW - what fabulous engagement on tonights #wenurses You all look amazing chatting together, love tonights engagement wheel!… |
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@Ant8Johnson8
03 May 2018 21:22
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@ProfJuneG Erm… yes it does https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-nurse-bursary-england-number-first-year-support-fees-ucas-jeremy-hunt-rcn-a8091131.html #WeNurses #BursaryOrBust |
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@EleanorMcManus
03 May 2018 21:22
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@WeNurses Yes, this academic level develops critical thinking and decision-making skills within the trainees to support them when they will be a registered professional accountable for their practice. #wenurses #nursingassociates |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:22
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RT @ecwestcott: @caffeinurse #wenurses We need to remind ppl that Code is about conduct (same) but proficiencies are about knowledge & skil… |
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@EleanorMcManus
03 May 2018 21:25
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@WeNurses Sorry I didn’t log in earlier, I was doing bedtime duties #wenurses |
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@caffeinurse
03 May 2018 21:26
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RT @nmcnews: We need to not assume the first cohort of TNAs will be typical - we need to future-proof our standards #WeNurses https://t.co/… |
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