#WeNurses - Thursday 12th September 2019 8pm (GMT Standard Time) Retention

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@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:00
Hi everyone ... how are you all?? If you are joining us for the next hour to tweetchat about RETENTION (thanks to @RTunmore for the topic suggestion) then please send us a 'hello' tweet and let us know your first thoughts regarding retention .... #WeNurses https://t.co/sNR4gBC9lv
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:01
Hello Teresa here ... ready to talk retention First thoughts .... what an important topic ! #WeNurses
@schoolnurse17
12 September 2019 20:02
Hello here and lurking this evening #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:02
@schoolnurse17 Hi Jane - nice to see you #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:04
This was shared earlier in the week ... a research project at Bournemouth re retention #WeNurses https://twitter.com/bjgw/status/1171480981280182272
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:05
Are you ready for QUESTION 1 ? Why do nurses leave organisations / leave the nursing profession? #WeNurses https://t.co/A6wMMidMyi
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:05
Hi all. So retention is an interesting one. Clearly it is something that every organisation aspires to do well by ensuring staff feel valued and developed, thus ensuring that they have pride in their work and deliver great care. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:06
Was interested to see their approach - TRACs ... though do think we need more than this ! #WeNurses https://t.co/HDJxzpiQx6
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:07
Absolutely ... but perhaps easier said than done ... what should orgs actually do do you think ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/VictoriaWDaley/status/1172224728683241472
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:07
RT @AgencyNurse: This was shared earlier in the week ... a research project at Bournemouth re retention #WeNurses https://twitter.com/bjgw/status/1171480981280182272
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:08
RT @AgencyNurse: Was interested to see their approach - TRACs ... though do think we need more than this ! #WeNurses https://t.co/HDJxzpi…
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:08
Valid points ... what are other peoples experiences ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/ppmbecky/status/1172225180510425091
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:09
I think retention is perhaps not just about the things that people say ... good pay, great support, learning and career opportunities, but also about added extras .... #WeNurses
@dobdob86
12 September 2019 20:10
@WeNurses Stress, lack of support, lack of opportunity and flexible working are the main reasons that I’ve come across over two trusts #wenurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:11
@WeNurses I think nurses often leave looking for other opportunities. With what used to be LBR funding being scarce I think people search for organisations that might have better access to it #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:11
.. for example my son has a job where they provide him with breakfast and lunch free of charge ... really simple thing but he feels valued and has stayed as a result ! #WeNurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:11
RT @AgencyNurse: Was interested to see their approach - TRACs ... though do think we need more than this ! #WeNurses https://t.co/HDJxzpi…
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:12
Flexible working is a biggy .. and that inflexibility can lead to added stress #WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172225979701506048
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:12
I also think lack of flexibility in rotas, shift patterns etc can be a big contributor for leaving #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:12
oooh important point .. so what makes a good manager ?? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/McNallyTeresa/status/1172226253883084801
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:13
That's brilliant to hear ... any vacancies ??? ;D #Wenurses
@MariamAllen81
12 September 2019 20:13
@WeNurses Lack of career progression, poor working conditions #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:13
eek the mental health reason doesn't sound good ... we hope your current role is better #WeNurses https://twitter.com/McNallyTeresa/status/1172226615625035776
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:14
RT @MariamAllen81: @WeNurses Lack of career progression, poor working conditions #wenurses
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 20:14
@AgencyNurse in my current job, I arrived on my first day to find this lovely welcome gift on my desk. I felt valued and welcomed. Small but important gesture #wenurses https://t.co/N9r98pq33B
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:14
awww how lovely is this !! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wlasinclair/status/1172226962586312704
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:14
@WeNurses I think a good manager role models what they want their workforce to be doing, is approachable but fair and understands the need to be firm sometimes. I want a manager who has high standards and allows space for innovation, encouragement for staff to develop #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:15
QUESTION 2 What innovative ideas do you have / or have you seen re retention of nurses (beyond flexible working) ? #WeNurses https://t.co/pL1qbLv5SH
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:15
Sadly we agree #WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172227002277011458
@FlexNHS
12 September 2019 20:16
RT @WeNurses: Flexible working is a biggy .. and that inflexibility can lead to added stress #WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172225979701506048
@beckyandbalou
12 September 2019 20:16
@AgencyNurse Hi , in this climate retention is hard , I am leaving nursing , decided to save £130 . Enough rubbish faced recently . #WeNurses https://t.co/G6ggSsJtcZ
@C_Carmichael83
12 September 2019 20:16
RT @WeNurses: Are you ready for QUESTION 1 ? Why do nurses leave organisations / leave the nursing profession? #WeNurses https://t.co/A6…
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:17
@WeNurses I’ve been fortunate to do two different fellowship roles within my organisation and that certainly was a reason I came to the trust. It gave me space to consider different career pathways and get exposure to those roles without committing to a full time career change #wenurses
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 20:18
@wlasinclair @AgencyNurse Seemingly small gestures can really make the difference to feeling valued.. or not. #wenurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:19
@WeNurses #wenurses burn-out, lack of support, staffing, lack of progression, stress, money, travel the list goes on ....
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 20:19
@AgencyNurse Yes I agree.. and I think at the moment there is so much focus on recruitment.. but what is being done to retain highly skilled staff? #wenurses
@mynameisAndyJ
12 September 2019 20:20
Lurking in - Love the chats always inspiring #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:21
@WeNurses #WeNurses development opportunities without our trust to undertake further education to become a specialist practitioner, excellent support from our team leader, caring team!
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:21
@WeNurses Generally it is not about pay or flexible working. More so about recognition of skills & potential for development. Lots of focus exists on newly qualified but important that more experienced nurses are given opportunities to develop their leadership capability further. #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:23
@WeNurses #WeNurses I was allowed a sabbatical which allowed me time off to travel with my family which meant my job was secure and it meant the trust I work for retained me and made me feel valued !
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:23
@XMcVey @WeNurses That’s fab ! ???? #WeNurses
@CharlotteNHSRN
12 September 2019 20:24
RT @WeNurses: Are you ready for QUESTION 1 ? Why do nurses leave organisations / leave the nursing profession? #WeNurses https://t.co/A6…
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:24
@beckyandbalou @AgencyNurse That’s sad. #WeNurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:24
RT @Csage110: @WeNurses #WeNurses I was allowed a sabbatical which allowed me time off to travel with my family which meant my job was secu…
@CatherinePelley
12 September 2019 20:24
@dobdob86 @WeNurses @HomertonNursing @AnnaRn89 I’m hoping the work we are going to do on collective leadership will help as well. Need to try different approaches and learn as we go. Also need to understand better why nurses choose a trust and value those who stay #Wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:25
QUESTION 3 What about retirement - should we be shifting the boundaries? What are your thoughts? #WeNurses https://t.co/BvEbhJGlm0
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:25
@WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Shift patterns incompatible with personal lifes. #WeNurses
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:25
@beckyandbalou @AgencyNurse That is sad to hear. What would keep you in the profession? #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:25
I think we make all the right noises ... but not sure we are actually making "great places to work" #WeNurses https://twitter.com/keeling_michael/status/1172228304964857856
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:25
Good evening from Madrid, my name is Efua and i am an ODP #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:26
@WeNurses Shifting what boundaries ? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:26
@knitknitqueen hello Efua .. nice to have to you here #WeNurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:27
@WeNurses Trust's have to see how to utilise the skills we have, it would be a shame for someone to retire and then just leave #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:27
This is incredibly sad #WeNurses https://twitter.com/beckyandbalou/status/1172227535066816515
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:27
#WeNurses sorry I'm late, thanks for talking about nurse retention - it's an issue where I work like I am sure it is in many other #NHS organisations.
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:27
RT @Cahill_Lou: @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Shift patterns incompatible with personal lifes. #WeNurses
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:27
@AgencyNurse My mantra theses days is we need to move beyond awareness #wenurses need to move to action
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:27
@AgencyNurse Yes sadly I think this is true. No matter how great or attractive opportunities are I think the day to day working environment and culture makes such a big impact #wenurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:27
@XMcVey Definitely #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:27
Thanks for sharing Jonathan #WeNurses https://twitter.com/JonathanCliffe8/status/1172230241357574144
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:28
@Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Yes I agree in a previous role I was always so exhausted after 4 shifts on I never got to exercise, see friends or family often and it does affect your MH #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:28
thoughts ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Stuart4Lees/status/1172228452738576387
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:29
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/JimmyDurham9/status/1172229953699663872
@phillips7_jane
12 September 2019 20:29
@WeNurses I agree, these are two different questions. Leaving an organisation doesn’t have to be negative, it could be for career or personal progression (moving areas); however people may leave nursing because they feel undervalued, lack of autonomy or increased stress. #WeNurses
@coxc41
12 September 2019 20:29
RT @Csage110: @WeNurses Shifting what boundaries ? #WeNurses
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:29
@knitknitqueen @WeNurses #Wenurses are so busy there is no succession planning then when someone retires we are like how did they do that? Gone with all the knowledge
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:29
@knitknitqueen @WeNurses I’ve known a lot of nurses do retire and return or work as legacy mentors. Nurses reaching retirement are so valuable and have so much knowledge that we lose when they leave #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:29
We are very sorry to hear this #WeNurses https://twitter.com/nini2903/status/1172229786653089792
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:30
@XMcVey @AgencyNurse I wish my Trust did secondment opportunities but all you get is 'it will be hard to back fill your role'. So why not give someone the opportunity to develop in my role whilst I develop and come back with a set of skills to develop the department? #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:30
#WeNurses .. good point ... staff can move on for positive reasons too https://twitter.com/AngelaTeece/status/1172229717522599938
@coxc41
12 September 2019 20:30
@Csage110 @WeNurses Agree Charlotte. I'm little confused about what you mean. #WeNurses
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:30
@WeNurses Wealth of experience in those that have/want to retire. This knowledge and experience needs to be harnessed wherever possible by offering flexible opportunities #wenurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:30
@WeNurses Q2. Not sure if innovative, but I personally took an opportunity for a very part time second role alongside clinical role. I get to use a broader range of skills I know I have and it's very rewarding (wellbeing wise, not financially). #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:31
Great point Victoria #WeNurses https://twitter.com/VictoriaWDaley/status/1172231064590442499
@GloStarsNHS
12 September 2019 20:31
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 What about retirement - should we be shifting the boundaries? What are your thoughts? #WeNurses https://t.co/BvE…
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:31
@CalvinMoorley forgive me, I am on holiday and still tweetchatting #wenurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:31
@knitknitqueen @AgencyNurse Yeah I’ve been lucky with that. I sometimes think it’s better to let someone take a secondment opportunity and be encouraged to develop and ultimately might want to return. Or make you feel like you’re not valued so leave anyway #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:32
@VictoriaWDaley @WeNurses I agree and think flexibility is the key here ... where I do bank work (not NHS but a care home) we have a 73 year old nurse, she only works the evening short shift and only once a week ... but she is ace ... the care home are so flexible #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:32
RT @CalvinMoorley: @knitknitqueen @WeNurses #Wenurses are so busy there is no succession planning then when someone retires we are like how…
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:33
@XMcVey @AgencyNurse short-sighted management #WeNurses
@JonathanCliffe8
12 September 2019 20:34
@WeNurses Someone has to care for the carer - our employer has a part to play in this. Whether it be through health & wellbeing services or supportive clinical supervision as a few examples #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:34
@knitknitqueen @XMcVey oh thats very short sighted ... perhaps if they made it easier for people to fit back into their roles ?? help ?? support ?? #WeNurses
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:34
@Csage110 @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 I moved into sexual health a year ago because of the role but I’ve been shocked at the positive impact a lack of swinging shifts has had on my health and social life. #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:34
@XMcVey @VictoriaWDaley @WeNurses she is amazing :) #WeNurses
@CharlotteNHSRN
12 September 2019 20:34
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 3 What about retirement - should we be shifting the boundaries? What are your thoughts? #WeNurses https://t.co/BvE…
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:34
@WeNurses Q1. I think there are many reasons including lack of career development opportunities, disillusionment, perhaps personnel reasons, financial, lack of shift flexibility, health and wellbeing reasons. Also with the staff shortages, there's more to choose from if looking #wenurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:34
@CalvinMoorley @WeNurses it is crazy we have reached this point, it was even more crazy to make individuals pay for their own tuition, so how do we fill the shortfall? let's face it we are all getting older and as we get older we move a little away from the front facing roles #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:35
QUESTION 4 What can we do to keep experienced nurses? What incentives are there? #WeNurses https://t.co/LugQUDfXeJ
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:35
Any trusts out there offer secondment opportunities ?? Any advice to enable staff to 'fit back in" ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/knitknitqueen/status/1172230917328445441
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:35
@AgencyNurse @XMcVey I will just pray that one day you will be my manager ???? #WeNurses
@CharlotteNHSRN
12 September 2019 20:36
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 What can we do to keep experienced nurses? What incentives are there? #WeNurses https://t.co/LugQUDfXeJ
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:36
absolutely .. many people just want to retire ... but some may feel they want to keep going a little bit and we need to be flexible and supportive with that #WeNurses https://twitter.com/VictoriaWDaley/status/1172232203725606917
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:36
@Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses I moved to the children’s community nursing team 5 years ago and same! Super active, healthy, see my friends and family and have a very good life/work balance and my team is the best #imlucky
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:37
Nicely said Jenny #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Jendscott/status/1172232498480373760
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:37
RT @Csage110: @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses I moved to the children’s community nursing team 5 years ago and same! Super…
@blueprintteach
12 September 2019 20:37
RT @Csage110: @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses I moved to the children’s community nursing team 5 years ago and same! Super…
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:38
#wenurses so we have problems recruiting students into the profession and after qualifying we have problems restating. So what is the image of nursing or the reality leading to this?
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:38
@Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 i left hospital / ward work years ago as it wasn't flexible enough with my family ... it's so sad that this is still problematic ! #WeNurses
@JonathanCliffe8
12 September 2019 20:38
@WeNurses This is something my trust is doing at the moment - I think it’s a great initiative to ensure staff feel supported to actively seek new opportunities if they wish to do so. #WeNurses @JenMcCartney2 https://t.co/sRxIxhExqN
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:38
@AgencyNurse Also they may miss the social side too! So adapting roles so that they are suitable and desirable for these nurses would be amazing at keeping them within the service ..#wenurses
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:38
@WeNurses @NBTNursing offer secondments and all sorts of opportunities to work around different areas. #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:39
@CharlotteNHSRN @WeNurses Yes, I wonder if there are high expectations for job quality. We are in times where to be an RN requires degree entry level. There are many nurses in practice who have a less than supportive attitude about this and we need to be able to work together well #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:39
a bit scary ... but on the positive side there is lots of work being done at a national level re this #WeNurses https://twitter.com/CalvinMoorley/status/1172233011305340928
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:39
@Jendscott @WeNurses I wonder what happens to a manager when they reach that level, it seems the forget they were once on the shop floor where we are #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:40
I agree ... it's great being part of a great team too .. makes work fun #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Csage110/status/1172233076321267712
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:40
@dobdob86 @XMcVey @AgencyNurse @capital_nurse hmmm just open to nurses... perhaps anyway this is another debate for another day.. what 'nursing' roles could an AHP do #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:41
@Cahill_Lou @Csage110 @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Hi Lou, I have been doing flexible shifts for 23 years (and in recent years, quite long ones) It takes me longer to recover and we don't get to eat as a family very often #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:41
@CarolLRead and thats why you are ace :D We should be able to recognise and take action on toxic work environments #WeNurses
@RTunmore
12 September 2019 20:41
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/rtunmore/status/1172232061207420929
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:41
RT @RTunmore: #WeNurses https://twitter.com/rtunmore/status/1172232061207420929
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:41
@WeNurses Value them! I know Nurses running whole services in some places who are only banded at a 7. If Nursing experience and leadership is deliberately under valued (probably for cost) it shouldn’t be a surprise that experiences Nurses leave. #WeNurses
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:42
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 To think a female dominated profession never mobilised to action this! #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:42
RT @Cahill_Lou: @WeNurses @NBTNursing offer secondments and all sorts of opportunities to work around different areas. #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:42
@AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 I know! Now I have a little boy and I am so pleased with the career move I made. Our lives matter too! And the adapting changing NHS needs to move with the times, we’re not martyrs, we need to look after ourselves to care for our patients and adapt to the demands #WeNurses
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:42
RT @WeNurses: a bit scary ... but on the positive side there is lots of work being done at a national level re this #WeNurses https://t.co/…
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:43
@jomwlever @Csage110 @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 So true! No one talks about recovery time! Oh you get tomorrow that’s lucky! Problem was it took me a whole day sometimes to recover from a run of 13 hour shifts! #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:43
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 It's certainly problematic for the team I am in and I am worried I shall run out of teammates soon. 3 are due to retire in the next 6 months also #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:43
@CalvinMoorley @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 back when i left it seemed that it was simply accepted .... either work the shifts or move on ... there was no discussion ... very short sighted .. but also we didn't protest #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:44
@jomwlever @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 oh goodness .... are there any options for them to stay on in a different capacity ?? #WeNurses
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:44
#wenurses https://twitter.com/victoriawdaley/status/1172234393345318914
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:44
#WeNurses > https://twitter.com/XMcVey/status/1172233700769239045
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:44
#WeNurses > https://twitter.com/CharlotteNHSRN/status/1172233218176819200
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:44
@Cahill_Lou @jomwlever @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses or longer !! ESP if you have had a distressing shift- little immediate support !
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 20:44
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 There is no way I could have managed the rigid shift patterns with a young child. I would have needed 24 hour childcare providers on site! #wenurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:45
@AgencyNurse @CarolLRead question is how to tackle a toxic working environment #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:45
QUESTION 5 Are the NHS and healthcare up there with other sectors re retention? What could we learn from other sectors? #WeNurses https://t.co/zcw5RucL74
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:45
oooh this looks interesting #WeNurses > https://twitter.com/JonathanCliffe8/status/1172233058415710209
@JonathanCliffe8
12 September 2019 20:45
@WeNurses A thought... Organisation should learn from each other, I’m sure there are some wonderful incentives across the country, for retention of staff. These need to be shared so that organisations can learn and implement - We have individual organisations but we are one NHS. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:46
great comment "there is no one size fits all with retention" #WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172232751547912192
@Cahill_Lou
12 September 2019 20:46
@CalvinMoorley @AgencyNurse @Csage110 @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 More complicated than that I think. Women fight to get leadership positions. Even in nursing, men will be promoted over them. When there, women worry about rocking the boat & costing themselves their security & position. Being a radical can come at huge personal cost. #WeNurses
@pav3n
12 September 2019 20:46
RT @WeNurses: oooh this looks interesting #WeNurses > https://twitter.com/JonathanCliffe8/status/1172233058415710209
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:47
@WeNurses Great question. I think it entirely depends on how the Nurse feels for being fit to do the job role and what the employer can offer if a change is needed. My clinical role is physical. I cannot imagine my parents (in early 70s) being able to do a 10hr shift in theatres #wenurses
@ecwestcott
12 September 2019 20:47
RT @Csage110: @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses I moved to the children’s community nursing team 5 years ago and same! Super…
@RAnimasun
12 September 2019 20:47
RT @WeNurses: Are you ready for QUESTION 1 ? Why do nurses leave organisations / leave the nursing profession? #WeNurses https://t.co/A6…
@mag2905
12 September 2019 20:47
RT @WeNurses: Any trusts out there offer secondment opportunities ?? Any advice to enable staff to 'fit back in" ? #WeNurses https://t.co/0…
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:48
@Cahill_Lou @CalvinMoorley @Csage110 @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 think there is a historical element at play here too ... nurses used to have to leave when they had families ... think some of our inflexibility to accommodate is ingrained ! #WeNurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:48
@WeNurses Having previously worked for the BBC before coming into healthcare, I remember doing so many roles even within a role, but this boils down to confidence, if you are confident in your job then you can let a part of it go to help an individual take over from you one day #WeNurses
@RTunmore
12 September 2019 20:48
#WeNurses so that’s about sharing experience and valuing that https://twitter.com/rtunmore/status/1172233809074561024
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:48
@WeNurses #WeNurses in the corporate world there is definitely more emphasis (they have more money I know) on team building, team days out, team nights out .
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:49
@wlasinclair @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 me neither and tbh with two under two it would not have been financially worthwhile #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:49
RT @RTunmore: #WeNurses so that’s about sharing experience and valuing that https://twitter.com/rtunmore/status/1172233809074561024
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 20:49
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 4 What can we do to keep experienced nurses? What incentives are there? #WeNurses https://t.co/LugQUDfXeJ
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:51
@WeNurses #WeNurses my husband has a clear career path and progression- in nursing less so - can get quite static for nurses wanting to progress unless you move trusts
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:51
yes i see this too .... also there is a huge movement to really taking care of staff ... using my son as an example again if he works past 9pm the company get him a taxi home #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Csage110/status/1172235670095618048
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:51
@WeNurses I don’t know about other sectors but I think sometimes we need to think wider that a single trust when we talk about retention. Perhaps working more cohesively across a health system/ STP’s/integrated care systems. #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:51
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172236260913623040
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:51
@dobdob86 @Jendscott @WeNurses There is a lack of communication between the levels, there needs to be more open conversations so that all sides understand each other. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:51
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/AnnaRn89/status/1172236268035543040
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:52
RT @Csage110: @WeNurses #WeNurses my husband has a clear career path and progression- in nursing less so - can get quite static for nurses…
@RachCarr1991
12 September 2019 20:52
@WeNurses Nursing remains one of the most undervalued professions. Increasing workload, stress, PTSD (in some cases), lack of support are all components to this and I’m sure there is an endless list of reasons & this needs to be resolved! #WeNurses
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:52
@dobdob86 @xabicathala & I have written a series of papers for Newly Qualified Nurses and he raised this point @eileenshepherd can tell you when it will be published #wenurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:52
@WeNurses I am guessing financial situation will have an impact on retirement too. When our mortgage is paid, we might have a better idea of when we could afford to retire. #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:52
#WeNurses >> https://twitter.com/JimmyDurham9/status/1172235901969272833
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:52
@AgencyNurse That’s amazing! Value his safety and hard work !! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:52
#WeNurses https://twitter.com/dobdob86/status/1172235818750156800
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:53
#WeNurses ... fabulous >>> https://twitter.com/NBTNursing/status/1172235775867535361
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 20:53
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 yes childcare is so expensive.....subsidised childcare on site that is open before 7am may help some staff. Hard to find childcare that is open that early #wenurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:54
@wlasinclair @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 True! There is no NHS childcare near my work base would have to travel 40mins ! #WeNurses
@MariamAllen81
12 September 2019 20:54
@Csage110 @WeNurses This! First I first quailed and worked in icu i had a clear career progression, moving away from that not so much. So some places get it right #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:54
@Csage110 yes indeed ... also he gets nights out and breakfast and lunches provided, everyone gets a take a way on a Friday .... it's made me think about work in a whole different way ! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:55
QUESTION 6 What are your final thoughts and points regarding retention ? #WeNurses https://t.co/PLxgBSN0PK
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 20:55
@AgencyNurse @knitknitqueen @XMcVey Yes.. I’ve experienced that, if you take the secondment then you won’t come back to your job.. #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:55
@wlasinclair @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 and nigh on impossible for night shifts #WeNurses
@carolgair
12 September 2019 20:55
@jomwlever @WeNurses Just for some alternative perspective; my mum was a theatre nurse for the majority of her working life. She retired after 40yrs at 57, was diagnosed at 61yr with Alzheimer’s, and died at 65yr. A long retired life is not guaranteed. #wenurses
@receivingconsnt
12 September 2019 20:55
@WeNurses We are caring for people and they must come first. It’s a different emphasis to other industries. In terms of flexibility for staff there is a different impact on the service. It can very directly affect patients. Do we need to think differently? ?? #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:55
gosh !!! thats a real problem ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Csage110/status/1172236966508843013
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:56
OMGoodness !! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/keeling_michael/status/1172237240854077445
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 20:56
#wenurses https://twitter.com/victoriawdaley/status/1172237499470684163
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 20:56
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Yes, I've never heard of any childcare providing overnight care #wenurses
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 20:56
@WeNurses #WeNurses sorry I am late been doing #nursesactive ??
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:56
Excellent points #WeNurses https://twitter.com/VictoriaWDaley/status/1172237499470684163
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 20:56
@CalvinMoorley @AgencyNurse Mmm lets just talk about it for a bit longer.. #wenurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 20:57
@AgencyNurse Yes same for my husband! They even get there tea and coffee provided for at work ohhh and milk, and because they value their health they provide a fresh fruit bowl daily! #thelittlethings #wenurses
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 20:57
RT @WeNurses: QUESTION 6 What are your final thoughts and points regarding retention ? #WeNurses https://t.co/PLxgBSN0PK
@pauljebb1
12 September 2019 20:58
@CalvinMoorley And do we value individuals contributions #wenurses #compassion #leadership
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 20:58
Great mantra #wenurses https://twitter.com/calvinmoorley/status/1172230320906821632?s=21
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:58
@wlasinclair @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 we have a spare room where I work bank (care home not NHS) where one carer's (who can't get childcare) son sleeps whilst she does nights ... again comes down to flexibility #WeNurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:58
@WeNurses I do think we need to make efforts to understand and collect data about why people leave organisations. Good exit interview process, opportunities to feed back so we can gain the information and identify what to work on when people do still decide to leave #wenurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 20:58
@knitknitqueen @AgencyNurse @CarolLRead Where I work, valuing staff is a priority. Exec team are listening & are interested in 'Just Culture'. This will help bring about a Safety Culture. No place for incivility there. I have influence as #FTSU Guardian - I support staff to Speak Up and we also report themes #wenurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 20:58
Need subsidised childcare, meals and travel #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 20:59
Yup ... surely we need to start to think about these things in healthcare ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Csage110/status/1172237764747833348
@receivingconsnt
12 September 2019 20:59
Another barrier to differentiation re: flexibility I’ve encountered is concern about being fair #WeNurses I wonder if being fair need always mean everyone does exactly the same though? ??
@CalvinMoorley
12 September 2019 20:59
RT @keeling_michael: Great mantra #wenurses https://twitter.com/calvinmoorley/status/1172230320906821632?s=21
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 20:59
@WeNurses Most importantly though clear and supportive leadership at local level and across the organisations is paramount to me wanting to stay in an organisation #wenurses
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 20:59
@VictoriaWDaley @WeNurses I've left a few NHS jobs where I haven't been offered an exit interview and nobody has tried to understand why I was leaving #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 20:59
eek ! #WeNurses https://twitter.com/wlasinclair/status/1172238364013211648
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 21:00
@WeNurses If Trusts put more effort into retention they wouldn't have such a recruitment issue #StaffSupport happy staff happy patients #LoveMyJob #WeNurses #Recruitment&Retention go hand in hand ??
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:00
nicely said #WeNurses https://twitter.com/JulesLewis6/status/1172238535568572417
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 21:00
@WeNurses Lastly, identification and promotion of different career pathways, opportunities to chat to people about their roles, secondments and a more flexible shift patterns I think are also really important #wenurses
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 21:00
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Haven't heard that before....is it commonplace? or unusual? #wenurses
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 21:00
@WeNurses ‘Retention’ can sometimes sound a bit negative to me like we are holding people against their will. We need to remember that their are circa 40k RN vacancies nationally and therefore there will always be an element of one trust robbing Peter to pay Paul in another. #wenurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:00
That's a wrap for tonight everyone .... thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences #WeNurses https://t.co/BaiMQYKbxz
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:01
@AgencyNurse Yuppp and I always think it’s funny that every meeting or trust provided event always have so much chocolate or sweets... there cheap compared to fruit... but what does that show ?! If the corporate world do it and we’re a health provider it’s a bit worrying #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:01
#Wenurses https://twitter.com/LornaHollowood/status/1172238582469337089
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 21:01
RT @WeNurses: nicely said #WeNurses https://twitter.com/JulesLewis6/status/1172238535568572417
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 21:01
@knitknitqueen @keeling_michael @AgencyNurse I’ve been seconded before and chosen not to return but felt like I was still supported to make a change in my career. Sometimes you do find something that is a better fit for you #wenurses
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 21:02
Follower-ship and leadership is important in getting this right, this has to come from the top, we understand the pressure, targets, but we are working towards the same goals.. o and subsidised childcare, travel, lunch etc & a thank you or at least some acknowledgement #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:02
@AgencyNurse @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Our fab Director of Nursing and Chief Officer cares very much about staff retention and told me they are interested in anything that might help retain staff including those at the point of retirement @simonjf63 #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:02
@wlasinclair @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 i've never come across it either ... but bloomin amazing ... it's a win for the care home as she is ace and a win for her as she is a single mum ... flexibility ! #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:02
@AgencyNurse In addition, the husband gets special rates at gyms, staff health checks every 6 months and loads of benefits that the company has worked hard to get to look after their staff. (This is a construction firm, so very far away from health! ) #WeNurses
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 21:02
@WeNurses Thank you #WeNurses ??
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:03
@jomwlever @Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 @simonjf63 thast really great to hear #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:03
@Csage110 any vacancies ? ;D #WeNurses
@samjdonohue
12 September 2019 21:03
#WeNurses We need to capture the joy of nursing and unravel why nurses enjoy nursing, as well as capturing why they leave. Together they may provide us answers to how to retain our nursing workforce. https://twitter.com/WeNurses/status/1172237211045179392
@RachCarr1991
12 September 2019 21:03
@WeNurses 2/2... Safe staffing! The nursing shortage. Bursary. Cost of training. Mental health of nurses. As nurses we give so much of ourselves but we need to feel valued and looked after too ?? #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:04
Thats sad to hear ... hopefully with recent CPD announcements this will change ? #WeNurses https://twitter.com/CNSSinead/status/1172238627797176320
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 21:04
@Csage110 @AgencyNurse I think I need to re-look my job plan... any vacancies? #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:04
@AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 When my mum was a nurse she took my brother and I in for the day shifts and cheered all the older people up in the care home as she had no childcare. It was a win all round ! #WeNurses
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:04
#WeNurses ?? https://twitter.com/RTunmore/status/1172239043167432704
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 21:04
#wenurses https://twitter.com/victoriawdaley/status/1172239506591952897
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:05
NEXT WEEK What are the challenges of working nights as a nurse? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5404 Join #WeNurses next Thursday to discuss and share https://t.co/L9VS9DiFxQ
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:05
@knitknitqueen @AgencyNurse I said the same ?? #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:05
@Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Good point. This is something I have mentioned to my line management. It's things seen as soft still that if we could improve, would make a huge difference. Debriefs happen in theatre routinely, recovery not included. I am interested in Schwartz rounds for other areas #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:05
gosh where did that hour go ... feel we have tried to put the world to rights this evening !! Thanks for a fab discussion #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:05
@wlasinclair @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Would never be allowed these days! #WeNurses
@XMcVey
12 September 2019 21:05
RT @WeNurses: NEXT WEEK What are the challenges of working nights as a nurse? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5404 Join #WeNurses next Thursday to…
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:06
@Csage110 @wlasinclair @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 love that ! And there was that Channel four programme that did that too !! #WeNurses
@VictoriaWDaley
12 September 2019 21:06
@wlasinclair @WeNurses That is unfortunate to hear. Would it have kept you in that role if you had felt listened to? #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:06
wow #WeNurses https://twitter.com/janewilkinson9/status/1172239725933072390
@CNSSinead
12 September 2019 21:07
@WeNurses @RSPCA_official @WhitHealth QUESTION 2 What innovative ideas do you have / or have you seen re retention of nurses (beyond flexible working) ? #WeNurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:07
RT @WeNurses: NEXT WEEK What are the challenges of working nights as a nurse? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5404 Join #WeNurses next Thursday to…
@Jendscott
12 September 2019 21:07
RT @WeNurses: NEXT WEEK What are the challenges of working nights as a nurse? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5404 Join #WeNurses next Thursday to…
@JulesLewis6
12 September 2019 21:07
RT @WeNurses: That's a wrap for tonight everyone .... thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences #WeNurses https://t.co/BaiMQ…
@WeNurses
12 September 2019 21:08
And the final word goes to Jenny >> #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Jendscott/status/1172239935161667587
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:08
@AgencyNurse @wlasinclair @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses yes I saw that too! We have a lot to learn from the past !
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:08
@Csage110 @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 As a #FTSU Guardian, and Mental Health First Aider, and had some very difficult shifts in my clinical role, I know how emotionally draining shifts can be and we don't have a culture that really focuses on our mental well-being yet #WeNurses
@RTunmore
12 September 2019 21:09
hi @RealNolaIshmael great to be in touch here! #weNurses Hope alls well xx https://twitter.com/rtunmore/status/1172232061207420929
@wlasinclair
12 September 2019 21:09
@VictoriaWDaley @WeNurses No I don't think I would have stayed to be honest but I would have happily shared my reasons for leaving which may have helped with developing strategies to retain staff in the future. It made me feel that I'd made the right decision though #wenurses
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 21:10
@AgencyNurse I know.. how to make someone feel valued and want to stay!! #wenurses
@Jendscott
12 September 2019 21:10
RT @WeNurses: And the final word goes to Jenny >> #WeNurses https://twitter.com/Jendscott/status/1172239935161667587
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:10
@janewilkinson9 @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Our social culture has changed so much, more women are working with children ! We have to adapt to fit in the our changing society #WeNurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:10
RT @Csage110: @WeNurses #WeNurses in the corporate world there is definitely more emphasis (they have more money I know) on team building,…
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 21:11
@knitknitqueen @AgencyNurse @XMcVey It was fixed term.. so would have to come back with all the new skills and transferable experience to benefit me, pts, service.. etc.. #wenurses
@AgencyNurse
12 September 2019 21:13
@keeling_michael it's counter productive as treat people like that and they just start looking elsewhere #WeNurses
@keeling_michael
12 September 2019 21:13
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@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:15
@WeNurses There is loads of work happening that supports this where I work. A Health&Wellbeing Strategy and a proactive Freedom to Speak Up Guardian! All support a Safety Culture which we expect will lead to improved morale, less turnover, happier staff, safer care, happier pts #WeNurses
@Csage110
12 September 2019 21:16
@theresahorne748 @wlasinclair @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Aww that makes me happy! A care home really doesn’t need to be so formal ! Gives older people something else to think about and talk about #WeNurses
@RTunmore
12 September 2019 21:16
@Suhi43969762 @WeNurses Great to hear that - As a potentially near retirement Nurse/human I’m inspired by younger generations #Hope #Reassurance maybe a future TweetChat about how it’s going with you #WeNurses
@Sarah_loughman
12 September 2019 21:16
#wenurses @WeNurses https://twitter.com/MoyaFlaherty/status/1172219125147537409
@knitknitqueen
12 September 2019 21:18
Thank you for another wonderful tweetchat - ciao for now #WeNurses
@katharinegale
12 September 2019 21:20
RT @Cahill_Lou: @WeNurses @NBTNursing offer secondments and all sorts of opportunities to work around different areas. #WeNurses
@theresahorne748
12 September 2019 21:20
@Csage110 @wlasinclair @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 Exactly. It's meant to be a home, not a hospital. The kids join in crafts, gardening, music events or simply chat away. Even as a nightshift nurse my children as known to staff from just popping in during the day to say hello #wenurses
@TraineeGeek
12 September 2019 21:21
RT @WeNurses: NEXT WEEK What are the challenges of working nights as a nurse? > http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5404 Join #WeNurses next Thursday to…
@theresahorne748
12 September 2019 21:21
@Csage110 @wlasinclair @AgencyNurse @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 *known to residents #wenurses
@jomwlever
12 September 2019 21:25
@carolgair @WeNurses TY for stating this Carol . I also know too many colleagues who didn't get to their retirement and that's part of my motivation for asking for more to be done about staff health&wellbeing. We're people, not robots, there's evidence about how shiftwork affects health. #WeNurses
@hepworth_becky
12 September 2019 21:33
RT @Csage110: @Cahill_Lou @WeNurses @C_Carmichael83 #WeNurses I moved to the children’s community nursing team 5 years ago and same! Super…
@Sharon7409
12 September 2019 21:42
@WeNurses The fact that management are quick to offer criticism and hide behind unworkable policy whilst the nurses giving valuable face to face feel disillusioned and scared for their registrations through sheer weight of expectation. We are working in a time of fear. #wenurses




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