#WeMidwives - Tuesday 12th March 2019 8pm (GMT Standard Time) Education on Down Syndrome to support parents

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Education on Down Syndrome to support parents

The recently published NHS Long Term Plan (2019) speaks of a commitment to understanding the needs of those with learning disabilities,collaborative working to promote health and wellbeing and importantly that staff should have sufficient training to support those with a learning disability.

A key theme that came out of a @WeMidwives tweet chat in June last year was education of midwives and those involved in maternity services into the lived experience of people with Down Syndrome (DS), and of parents of children with DS.

@WeMidwives firmly believe that the informed choices of women and families should be facilitated, supported and respected in all aspects of childbearing, including in screening choices and decision making. The legal case of Montgomery v NHS Lanarkshire (2015) highlights the need for health care providers to anticipate what information a woman needs about her healthcare in order for her to make informed decisions.

In the interests of facilitating informed choice there it seems reasonable to expect health care providers to have an understanding of what it means to parent a child with DS and also the lived experience of a person with DS. This does not seem to be a universal level of knowledge for those who talk to women and families about screening choices.

This chat aims to create discussion around where we are now and what the barriers and enablers are to being able to fulfil the commitment in the NHS long term plan: to be able to understand the needs of those with DS and their families and to be able to offer the support that is needed to promote health and wellbeing.


References:

Montgomery v Lanarkshire Health Board. 2015. SC 11. 1 AC 1430

NHS ENGLAND, 2019. The NHS long term plan.London: NHS England

@Wemidwives chat on NIPT screening can be found here: http://www.wecommunities.org/tweet-chats/chat-details/5220


Questions:
1. Do you think that midwives are given enough information and training into the lived experience of DS and of parenting a child with DS?

2. Do you know of post-registration training or places to go for information about DS/supporting families? Have you used any of these?

3. What are the barriers to midwives feeling able to support families and how can we overcome these?

4. What would make you feel more confident about discussing the realities of parenting a child with DS with families?





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@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:04
Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives folks! https://twitter.com/ErinsWorldFrame/status/1105559769539055616
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:06
@RosebudMidwife @PositiveaboutDS Lovely to have you, thank you for joining us! #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:07
Remember the hashtag in all your replies, thanks for helping! #WeMidwives
@tonirov318
12 March 2019 20:07
@ErinsWorldFrame @DSRF_UK @PositiveaboutDS #wemidwives I don’t think they do
@PositiveaboutDS
12 March 2019 20:09
@WeMidwives oooops forgot hashtag sorry!! #WeMidwives!
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:09
Remember the hashtag so we don't lose the tweets ?? #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:10
@PositiveaboutDS That is a fantastic thing to provide, can midwives and other HCPs use this too? #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:11
@PositiveaboutDS That's ok! We forget sometimes too ?? #WeMidwives
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12 March 2019 20:11
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@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:12
#WeMidwives who here has resources for further education for caring for these families?
@drees65
12 March 2019 20:16
@PositiveaboutDS @WeMidwives I think we need more training to support families #WeMidwives
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:16
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12 March 2019 20:17
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@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:17
@WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives definitely not - although I know several families who have children living… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105563559918997506
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:18
@drees65 @PositiveaboutDS Do you think this should be pre or post registration? Or both! #WeMidwives
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12 March 2019 20:18
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12 March 2019 20:18
@PositiveaboutDS Fantastic! They look brilliant #WeMidwives
@denise123_cohen
12 March 2019 20:19
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives definitely not - although I know several families who have children living with #DS…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:19
@RosebudMidwife @Mrs_Locky @PositiveaboutDS Absolutely! #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:19
RT @WeMidwives: @PositiveaboutDS Fantastic! They look brilliant #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:19
RT @WeMidwives: @PositiveaboutDS That is a fantastic thing to provide, can midwives and other HCPs use this too? #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:19
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives definitely not - although I know several families who have children living with #DS…
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:20
@WeMidwives @drees65 @PositiveaboutDS Does there need to be more guidance on what to do when its found that a baby has Ds? #WeMidwives
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:21
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives definitely not - although I know several families who have children living with #DS…
@helen_laverty
12 March 2019 20:21
@PositiveaboutDS will be with us #hearme you might be interested #wemidwives https://t.co/6Zi6ae4mno
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:23
@WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #wemidwives and I have introduced them to one another after discussing with them indep… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105564900796088322
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:24
@PositiveaboutDS @drees65 @DSAInfo Remember the hashtag ?? #WeMidwives
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:24
#wemidwives A2: No sadly. I'm required by law to transfer care to a pediatrician if baby has 3 congenital abnormali… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105565162637922304
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:24
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12 March 2019 20:24
@PositiveaboutDS @drees65 @DSAInfo That is fantastic #WeMidwives
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:25
@ColetteLloyd Thank you @ColletteLloyd I will check them out. #wemidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:25
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12 March 2019 20:25
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #wemidwives and I have introduced them to one another after discussing with them independently…
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:25
RT @WeMidwives: @PositiveaboutDS @drees65 @DSAInfo Remember the hashtag ?? #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:26
Remember that hashtag folks #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:26
RT @RosebudMidwife: #wemidwives A2: No sadly. I'm required by law to transfer care to a pediatrician if baby has 3 congenital abnormalities…
@helen_laverty
12 March 2019 20:26
@WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS @drees65 @DSAInfo as is the #WeLDNs community #TogetherWeAreBetter #wemidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:26
@PositiveaboutDS @dontscreenusout @drees65 Yes this does seem to be the reality for most and it needs to change #WeMidwives
@Midwife_VC
12 March 2019 20:26
@WeMidwives @drees65 @PositiveaboutDS Both. Things change & need to remain updated. #CPD #LifelongLearning #WeMidwives
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12 March 2019 20:26
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12 March 2019 20:27
RT @Midwife_VC: @WeMidwives @drees65 @PositiveaboutDS Both. Things change & need to remain updated. #CPD #LifelongLearning #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:27
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12 March 2019 20:27
RT @helen_laverty: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS @drees65 @DSAInfo as is the #WeLDNs community #TogetherWeAreBetter #wemidwives
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:27
Excellent discussion over on #WeMidwives regarding supporting families with children with Downs Syndrome. More trai… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105566091437195264
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:27
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12 March 2019 20:28
@LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS What a brilliant pic! #WeMidwives
@bsarahbennett
12 March 2019 20:28
RT @WeMidwives: #WeMidwives https://twitter.com/PositiveaboutDS/status/1105563186378485760
@bsarahbennett
12 March 2019 20:29
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives definitely not - although I know several families who have children living with #DS…
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:29
@RosebudMidwife #wemidwives I was a ward manager years ago -the staff suspected #DS with a baby-it took me a lot of… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105566521504530432
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:29
Fabulous chat so far, remember to include the hashtag #WeMidwives or your wonderful tweets will be lost! Question… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105566566735925248
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:30
@PositiveaboutDS @WeMidwives #wemidwives thank you for sharing this ??
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:30
@downrightjoy @dontscreenusout @drees65 @PositiveaboutDS That just should not happen ?? #WeMidwives
@LisaFar34706367
12 March 2019 20:31
@downrightjoy @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives even the paediatrician at the first hospital did not mention… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105566909473394693
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:31
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12 March 2019 20:31
Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives so we don't lose your tweet ??
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:32
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12 March 2019 20:32
@lutra25 @LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS That sounds awful. I am sorry you had that experience. #WeMidwives
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:33
RT @WeMidwives: Fabulous chat so far, remember to include the hashtag #WeMidwives or your wonderful tweets will be lost! Question 3: What…
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:33
#wemidwives A3: One of our biggest barriers in USA to gaining knowledge on caring for families with DS: treating th… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105567541378744320
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:34
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12 March 2019 20:35
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12 March 2019 20:35
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12 March 2019 20:36
RT @LisaFar34706367: @downrightjoy @WeMidwives @PositiveaboutDS #WeMidwives even the paediatrician at the first hospital did not mention #D…
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:36
RT @WeMidwives: #WeMidwives https://t.co/7nXU8ZQLNj
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:37
RT @helen_laverty: @PositiveaboutDS will be with us #hearme you might be interested #wemidwives https://t.co/6Zi6ae4mno
@drees65
12 March 2019 20:38
@PositiveaboutDS @JennytheM @WeMidwives Sounds interesting #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:38
Remember to use the hashtag #WeMidwives so we don't lose your tweets! https://t.co/I39vqmhs7h
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:39
Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives in all tweets and replies so we don't lose them! https://t.co/x629GvL89o
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:39
@ColetteLloyd #wemidwives thank you!
@Jaxonrio
12 March 2019 20:39
#WeMidwives invite local families in to tell you how wonderful their lives are! No suffering here
@LisaFar34706367
12 March 2019 20:39
@PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives #WeMidwives although I repeatedly asked to see my baby it was not until my hu… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105569122253979649
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:40
RT @WeMidwives: Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives in all tweets and replies so we don't lose them! https://twitter.com/kirevie/status/1105568115386126339
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:40
RT @WeMidwives: Remember to use the hashtag #WeMidwives so we don't lose your tweets! https://twitter.com/Theoutsider_vpk/status/1105568151226511360
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:40
So important for every family! Remember to use #WeMidwives as a hashtag rather than an @ so we don't lose the tweet… https://t.co/giDpYat0cB
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:40
RT @WeMidwives: Fabulous chat so far, remember to include the hashtag #WeMidwives or your wonderful tweets will be lost! Question 3: What…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:41
Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives so we don't lose tweets! https://t.co/YuVZAYTOeW
@Jaxonrio
12 March 2019 20:41
#WeMidwives @LisaFar34706367 we were told by consultant the day before “I can categorically tell you this baby does… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105569634399539200
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:42
@LisaFar34706367 @lutra25 @PositiveaboutDS That sounds like an awful experience Lisa #WeMidwives
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:42
YES!!!! Congratulations, your baby is beautiful, your baby will thrive, and you are not alone! #wemidwives
@Midwife_VC
12 March 2019 20:42
RT @WeMidwives: Fabulous chat so far, remember to include the hashtag #WeMidwives or your wonderful tweets will be lost! Question 3: What…
@LisaFar34706367
12 March 2019 20:43
#WeMidwives OK, sorry.
@ColetteLloyd
12 March 2019 20:43
Also Looking Up Books are great https://www.cdssg.org.uk/looking-up-book/ and numerous blogs like @downrightjoy @DownsSideUp @dontbesorry #wemidwives
@downrightjoy
12 March 2019 20:43
@LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives That's just so wrong and so very damaging. #WeMidwives
@lutra25
12 March 2019 20:43
#weMidwives I kept offering to the local hospital to be contacted in the future if a new parent wanted info or help… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105570050881265664
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:43
@WeMidwives #WeMidwives fear , lack of knowledge , poor training and ability to reflect - to address network with f… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105570085731741696
@Jaxonrio
12 March 2019 20:44
#WeMidwives only preconceived ideas that Down syndrome is a tragedy. It’s not. It’s the best kept secret.
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:44
#WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:45
.@MatExpBazaar @WhoseShoes #WeMidwives ???? https://t.co/chbn6xcckH
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:45
RT @WeMidwives: Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives in all tweets and replies so we don't lose them! https://t.co/x629GvL89o
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:45
@Midwife_VC @redincandescent @dontscreenusout @drees65 @PositiveaboutDS @WhoseShoes @LG_NHS Fantastic! #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:45
RT @Jaxonrio: #WeMidwives invite local families in to tell you how wonderful their lives are! No suffering here https://twitter.com/wemidwives/status/1105565625500487680
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:45
RT @Jaxonrio: #WeMidwives invite local families in to tell you how wonderful their lives are! No suffering here https://twitter.com/wemidwives/status/1105565625500487680
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:45
RT @LisaFar34706367: @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives #WeMidwives although I repeatedly asked to see my baby it was not until my husba…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:46
RT @LisaFar34706367: @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives #WeMidwives although I repeatedly asked to see my baby it was not until my husba…
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:47
#WeMidwives https://t.co/WXxYzyGAma
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:47
@LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 This sounds like a really awful experience, thank you so much for sharing it with us #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:47
Remember the hashtag #WeMidwives so we don't lose tweets ??
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:47
@LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives #wemidwives I’m so sorry you waited so long to see your baby… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105571110932877314
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:47
RT @WeMidwives: So important for every family! Remember to use #WeMidwives as a hashtag rather than an @ so we don't lose the tweets ?? htt…
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:47
Down Syndrome is not a tragedy...it's the best kept secret! #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:48
RT @Jaxonrio: #WeMidwives @LisaFar34706367 we were told by consultant the day before “I can categorically tell you this baby does not have…
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:48
RT @WeMidwives: @LisaFar34706367 @lutra25 @PositiveaboutDS That sounds like an awful experience Lisa #WeMidwives
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:48
RT @RosebudMidwife: YES!!!! Congratulations, your baby is beautiful, your baby will thrive, and you are not alone! #wemidwives https://t.co…
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:48
RT @LisaFar34706367: #WeMidwives OK, sorry. https://twitter.com/wemidwives/status/1105569516048797697
@JennytheM
12 March 2019 20:48
RT @lutra25: #weMidwives I kept offering to the local hospital to be contacted in the future if a new parent wanted info or help. No one ev…
@Midwife_VC
12 March 2019 20:49
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives #WeMidwives fear , lack of knowledge , poor training and ability to reflect - to address network with families p…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:50
#WeMidwives
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:50
RT @RosebudMidwife: Down Syndrome is not a tragedy...it's the best kept secret! #WeMidwives https://twitter.com/Jaxonrio/status/1105570225649577984
@Midwife_VC
12 March 2019 20:51
#WeMidwives https://t.co/3EDdFcVGht
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:51
RT @downrightjoy: @LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives That's just so wrong and so very damaging. #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:51
#WeMidwives
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:52
RT @JennytheM: .@MatExpBazaar @WhoseShoes #WeMidwives ???? https://twitter.com/midwife_vc/status/1105568959439536128
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:53
RT @JennytheM: @WeMidwives #WeMidwives fear , lack of knowledge , poor training and ability to reflect - to address network with families p…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:53
RT @lutra25: #weMidwives I kept offering to the local hospital to be contacted in the future if a new parent wanted info or help. No one ev…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:53
RT @Jaxonrio: #WeMidwives only preconceived ideas that Down syndrome is a tragedy. It’s not. It’s the best kept secret. https://t.co/eXIGAr…
@LisaFar34706367
12 March 2019 20:53
@WeMidwives #WeMidwives With NIPT etc, all involved need to be aware of their own opinions + misconceptions + ensur… https://t.co/CM0xde3RBv
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:53
#WeMidwives That would be fantatsic! https://t.co/sBMQXCTxAa
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:54
@WeMidwives @lutra25 @LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS Do you think that hcps don’t think of social model in these situations? #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:56
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@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:56
@Midwife_VC Fear of saying/getting it wrong can so often lead to the experiences shared tonight #WeMidwives
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:57
RT @JennytheM: @LisaFar34706367 @PositiveaboutDS @lutra25 @WeMidwives #wemidwives I’m so sorry you waited so long to see your baby - there’…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:57
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12 March 2019 20:57
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@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:57
RT @LisaFar34706367: @WeMidwives #WeMidwives With NIPT etc, all involved need to be aware of their own opinions + misconceptions + ensure t…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:57
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12 March 2019 20:58
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@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:58
RT @LisaFar34706367: @WeMidwives #WeMidwives With NIPT etc, all involved need to be aware of their own opinions + misconceptions + ensure t…
@Jaxonrio
12 March 2019 20:58
#WeMidwives again positivity. You are at the beginning of the most exciting journey of your life. Can we introduce… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1105573865063882759
@dontscreenusout
12 March 2019 20:58
RT @Midwife_VC: #WeMidwives https://twitter.com/Midwife_VC/status/1105571006868082690
@RosebudMidwife
12 March 2019 20:59
RT @LisaFar34706367: @WeMidwives #WeMidwives With NIPT etc, all involved need to be aware of their own opinions + misconceptions + ensure t…
@WeMidwives
12 March 2019 20:59
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12 March 2019 20:59
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